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Proeliator 37 9 February 2018 10:52

Broad investigation launched...
 
This is linked to the ongoing investigation on the homicide of Army Special Forces SSG Logan J. Melgar, but it centers around OPFUND abuse and theft.

Link to the story:

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/07/...en-beret-mali/

Story Preview: “A criminal investigation into the death of Army Staff Sgt. Logan Melgar, who was killed last June while deployed in Bamako, Mali, has prompted a broad internal military audit and investigation into SEAL Team 6, according to a military official and two others briefed on the case...

...Investigators suspect the two SEALs being investigated in the Melgar case were stealing cash from operational funds used for informants and other contingencies while deployed. The new investigation aims to determine whether such thefts are a routine practice among the members of the elite counterterrorism unit...”

mike76233 9 February 2018 22:06

Out of curiosity, are these informant/contingency funds helpful or are they usually just taken advantage of by the indigenous population?

Reason I'm asking is the article makes the implication this is widespread. I don't necessarily take the article's word for this but if true it leads me to believe these funds are a waste. I'm aware of quite a bit of waste and stupid shit done on the conventional side in regards to how money is acquired by the elements of the Afghan population.

Frog 9 February 2018 22:16

Yeah, the Intercept. . . now there's a reputable news team - - NOT!
Case in point:
Jeremy Scahill

Co-founding Editor and Senior Investigative Reporter

mike76233 9 February 2018 22:41

Scahill is the worst. Saw some bs documentary od his a few years ago.

gavin 9 February 2018 23:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike76233 (Post 1058705167)
Out of curiosity, are these informant/contingency funds helpful or are they usually just taken advantage of by the indigenous population?

This is not an appropriate forum to address that.

The Intercept put Snowden up to his treasonous acts, so I will view anything they publish accordingly.

Massgrunt 9 February 2018 23:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frog (Post 1058705171)
Yeah, the Intercept. . . now there's a reputable news team - - NOT!
Case in point:
Jeremy Scahill

Co-founding Editor and Senior Investigative Reporter

Jeremy Scahill is somewhere between a hack and a fraud and if he's ever been right about anything it's been by coincidence.

mike76233 10 February 2018 00:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavin (Post 1058705184)
This is not an appropriate forum to address that.

Understood sir.

MixedLoad 10 February 2018 23:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Massgrunt (Post 1058705189)
Jeremy Scahill is somewhere between a hack and a fraud and if he's ever been right about anything it's been by coincidence.

Scahill rhymes with Shill. No coincidence there.

Sigi 11 February 2018 16:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike76233 (Post 1058705178)
Scahill is the worst. Saw some bs documentary od his a few years ago.

Dirty Wars. I have it on Netflix but never watched it because it sounded bad just reviewing what it was about. Chasing down the hidden truth of America's secret covert wars? Blech.

mdavid 12 February 2018 08:33

Seems easy enough to check the assets and purchases of anyone given large amounts of cash for these transactions.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the IRS and DOD audited vehicle and home purchases, permits for upgrades to houses and amazon purchases they could find most all violators.
Federal accountants are very very good when they are pointed in a direction.

These guys aren't going to transfer into gold/bitcoins and just sit on it for 20 years, it'd be genius, but criminals don't often take that route.

Looks like other media sources are also covering this story
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/u...eath-mali.html

Proeliator 37 12 February 2018 09:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdavid (Post 1058705483)
Seems easy enough to check the assets and purchases of anyone given large amounts of cash for these transactions.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the IRS and DOD audited vehicle and home purchases, permits for upgrades to houses and amazon purchases they could find most all violators.
Federal accountants are very very good when they are pointed in a direction.

These guys aren't going to transfer into gold/bitcoins and just sit on it for 20 years, it'd be genius, but criminals don't often take that route.

Looks like other media sources are also covering this story
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/u...eath-mali.html

Unfortunately OPFUND violations happen and whenever humans are involved in a venture, there is the possibility of a few succumbing to baser instincts and doing the wrong thing. But, at this juncture, what really happened is anybody’s guess.

The truth will come out eventually when the official investigation is complete.

ussfpa 12 February 2018 15:15

SIDEBAR:
There was a unit I was a part of, unlimited budget, no oversight for spending etc...
"You need to take this money ($500,000) in country"
Me: OK
I get there: "Let's sit and count this money so you can sign for it"
'THEM': "WE don't need to count it, and WE don't need to sign for it":eek:
Tried for 3 days - each day 'THEY' refused until I said either count and sign or I'm taking it back with me. THEY relented.

Fast forward to end of mission and briefing the CG with our new J4 (O5):
'THEM': "OPFUND was distributed according to mission requirements and parameters....next slide"
J4: "Where are your receipts? Where is the change?":confused:
'THEM': Change? What change? There is NEVER any CHANGE! We spent it right down to the penny! And why are you asking for receipts? We said it was spent according to mission requirements?!?

CG looked at the J4, asked "who signed for the money?", J4 looked at me, I pulled out my hand receipt signing it over to the briefing party and handed it up the briefing table...CG looked up at the briefer and said "you have until COB tomorrow to gather your receipts...to the penny...for a half million dollars. Questions? Didn't think so - briefing concluded"

Did not go well for 'THEM' lol:biggrin:

Justaclerk 13 February 2018 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by ussfpa (Post 1058705597)
SIDEBAR:
There was a unit I was a part of, unlimited budget, no oversight for spending etc...
"You need to take this money ($500,000) in country"
Me: OK
I get there: "Let's sit and count this money so you can sign for it"
'THEM': "WE don't need to count it, and WE don't need to sign for it":eek:
Tried for 3 days - each day 'THEY' refused until I said either count and sign or I'm taking it back with me. THEY relented.

Fast forward to end of mission and briefing the CG with our new J4 (O5):
'THEM': "OPFUND was distributed according to mission requirements and parameters....next slide"
J4: "Where are your receipts? Where is the change?":confused:
'THEM': Change? What change? There is NEVER any CHANGE! We spent it right down to the penny! And why are you asking for receipts? We said it was spent according to mission requirements?!?

CG looked at the J4, asked "who signed for the money?", J4 looked at me, I pulled out my hand receipt signing it over to the briefing party and handed it up the briefing table...CG looked up at the briefer and said "you have until COB tomorrow to gather your receipts...to the penny...for a half million dollars. Questions? Didn't think so - briefing concluded"

Did not go well for 'THEM' lol:biggrin:

This just won the internet until the end of the week. LMMFAO :biggrin:

IrishSoldier 28 February 2018 07:17

Any update on this? I always had issues with NSW being involved in this type of work as they don't seem to like the mission and all the rules that go with it.

WGH0922 11 May 2018 14:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishSoldier (Post 1058709206)
Any update on this?

I saw this last night and I hope to God it's not true.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/africa/...eret-s-n873141

256 27 August 2018 01:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by WGH0922 (Post 1058724209)
I saw this last night and I hope to God it's not true.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/africa/...eret-s-n873141

Got on and looked up this thread to see if there were any updates, May 11th being the last I read about anything. The above update to this was pretty broad. “Two Marines may have been present at some point during the night” could literally mean, mentioned Marines witnessed SSG Melgar go here at this time.

I’m assuming we won’t hear any updates frkm here on out (accordingly so) until the investigation is complete.

Pati39 9 October 2018 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishSoldier (Post 1058709206)
Any update on this? I always had issues with NSW being involved in this type of work as they don't seem to like the mission and all the rules that go with it.


I take personal offense.... don't lump us all in together..

Haha

Jimbo 9 October 2018 15:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by IrishSoldier (Post 1058709206)
Any update on this? I always had issues with NSW being involved in this type of work as they don't seem to like the mission and all the rules that go with it.

Same is true of all SOF units.

Sharky 9 October 2018 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbo (Post 1058754215)
Same is true of all SOF units.

True.

Irish Soldier and I were both sticklers for following the rules when we were working together. :cool:

WGH0922 15 November 2018 17:55

In addition to the two SEAL's, 2 Marine Raiders are now also charged with murder, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, hazing and burglary. This entire story makes me physically ill. :mad:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...-beret-n936736


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