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agx 2 January 2009 02:59

The Off Topic Gaza Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Greenhat (Post 1086581)
There are 1.4 billion Muslims in the world. You want to make war on all of them? Change Muslim to Jew in your post and you sound like fucking Hitler.

Change "Jew" to "Nazi" and who does he sound like then?

tnkspe119 2 January 2009 03:08

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Originally Posted by agx (Post 1086591)
Change "Jew" to "Nazi" and who does he sound like then?

I know I'm really slow today...a little help on this one???

Xdeth 2 January 2009 03:13

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Originally Posted by tnkspe119 (Post 1086600)
I know I'm really slow today...a little help on this one???

Patton is my guess, what do I win?

tnkspe119 2 January 2009 03:18

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Originally Posted by Xdeth (Post 1086601)
Patton is my guess, what do I win?

Roger, thanks I will now go and smash my head in a car door, I missread the post. :cool:

T-Rock 2 January 2009 05:12

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Sigh.....you guys need some commen sense. It's free ya know.
It is, isn't it..:biggrin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvdRO...petjawa.mu.nu/

P.S.U-07 2 January 2009 11:47

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Originally Posted by agx (Post 1086591)
Change "Jew" to "Nazi" and who does he sound like then?

The Nazi party wasnt a religion...

Whitebean54 2 January 2009 12:04

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Originally Posted by P.S.U-07 (Post 1086717)
The Nazi party wasnt a religion...


Depends on your definition of religion. Some guy who wrote sci-fi novels has a religion about alien.
I am in no way condoning Nazism, merely offering a counterpoint.

edit to add:ET1/ss nuke said what i was looking for

ET1/ss nuke 2 January 2009 12:05

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Originally Posted by P.S.U-07 (Post 1086717)
The Nazi party wasnt a religion...

Unless you count Blavatskian Theosophy as a religion. :rolleyes:

Coincidentally, the Ba'ath Party organized its governments in Iraq and Syria along lines similar to the Nazi Party. I don't know why, since that's one of the most inefficient systems ever devised, but I guess that's middle eastern logic for you.

agx 2 January 2009 12:08

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Originally Posted by tnkspe119 (Post 1086600)
I know I'm really slow today...a little help on this one???

Well haven't we already declared a genocide on "terrorists" or "islamofascists"? Just as we delcared war on the Nazis and the Japanese.

agx 2 January 2009 12:20

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Originally Posted by Whitebean54 (Post 1086727)
Depends on your definition of religion. Some guy who wrote sci-fi novels has a religion about alien.

By defintion a religion is any "set of beliefs, values, and practices." Naziism was and IS a religion. Just as Communism is a state-enforced religion in many countries, ie worshipping government instead of God.

You are right in the sense that Naziism did not ban private worship or deal directly with spiritual things. But many aspects of it bordered heavily on religious worship. The whole mission of a perfect aryan nation, large crowds worshipping Hitler, Hitler Youth schools. Christian symbolism was also often mixed with Nazi propaganda, giving it an "inspired" edge.

But you are right that Naziism focused more on government than on religion.

Islam is basically the same thing in reverse order. Islam focuses heavily on God and worship but then jumps heavily into government. Islam is just as much a political ideology as it is a religion in the spiritual sense.

This makes it even more insidious. Naziism can be easily denounced as the makings of a few evil men. If you went against Naziism you were just going against Hitler. If you go against Islam you're an enemy of God.

tnkspe119 2 January 2009 12:25

agx,

Are you asking this rhetorically? (Sarcasm hopefully noted) If you read my earlier post you will see that I missread the post a couple of times and that's why I asked for help, Xdeth squared me away.

I don't know that anyone has termed the GWOT as genocide, but if you mean to kill, capture, and disrupt those fuckheads that caused 9/11 and continue their fight, then I'm down with the "genocide" of them...not Muslims, just terrorist dicks that wanna kill us. Is it wrong that we wanted to kill all the Nazis??? Well I think the 11 or so million of people they killed, including 6 million jews, wouldn't think its wrong. IMHO.

P.S.U-07 2 January 2009 12:26

Yea but there arent 1.4 billion Blavatskianians running around with hundreds of sub-sects...

A better comparison would be between the Nazi party and Hamas (versus comparing jews/muslims to the Nazi's). Both were elected by disillusioned populations. Both parties (since Hamas is a "government" now) took their respective people down the shitter. The Nazi were destroyed and Hamas will join their fate.

It wouldnt make sense to kill all Germans to in order to remove the Nazi's from power... so why would you want to kill ALL muslims?

tnkspe119 2 January 2009 12:39

My head hurts from this thread...I dont want to kill all muslims...and I agree with the second paragraph, but I was just making the correlation that what the US has been going through since 2001 IS indeed a war, fuck it nevermind.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by P.S.U-07 (Post 1086752)
Yea but there arent 1.4 billion Blavatskianians running around with hundreds of sub-sects...

A better comparison would be between the Nazi party and Hamas (versus comparing jews/muslims to the Nazi's). Both were elected by disillusioned populations. Both parties (since Hamas is a "government" now) took their respective people down the shitter. The Nazi were destroyed and Hamas will join their fate.

It wouldnt make sense to kill all Germans to in order to remove the Nazi's from power... so why would you want to kill ALL muslims?


agx 2 January 2009 13:10

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Originally Posted by tnkspe119 (Post 1086751)
agx,

Are you asking this rhetorically? (Sarcasm hopefully noted) If you read my earlier post you will see that I missread the post a couple of times and that's why I asked for help, Xdeth squared me away.

I don't know that anyone has termed the GWOT as genocide, but if you mean to kill, capture, and disrupt those fuckheads that caused 9/11 and continue their fight, then I'm down with the "genocide" of them...not Muslims, just terrorist dicks that wanna kill us. Is it wrong that we wanted to kill all the Nazis??? Well I think the 11 or so million of people they killed, including 6 million jews, wouldn't think its wrong. IMHO.

We agree with each other then. Obviously it wasn't wrong to kill the Nazis, that's my point. It's the classic "good vs evil" example. But if you're simply counting bodies the Muslims have killed vastly larger numbers of people than the Nazis did. A fart in a windstorm by comparison really. The Nazi war only lasted about 5 years ('39 to '44). We have been at war with Muslims since 610AD, almost 1400 years!!!

Greenhat 2 January 2009 13:37

If we declared war on all Nazis, how is it that Franco died of old age?

Oh, maybe it's because we DIDN'T declare war on National Socialism/Fascism/Nazism - Germany declared war on the United States after Japan attacked us.

Even Patton wasn't stupid enough to suggest we should wipe out all the National Socialists on the planet (and he was fucking insane, and you want to use his rhetoric as an example to be followed?).

The claim that we've been at war with Muslims for almost 1400 years is equally ludicrous. PLEASE learn some history, instead of tossing out nonsense. I assume you've read Howard Bloom... who contradicts himself in the first half dozen paragraphs of his claim about Islam's war with the west. Of course, he doesn't recognize the contradiction. He's locked into his own theory that he refuses to allow the facts stand in the way.

P.S.U-07 2 January 2009 13:42

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Originally Posted by agx (Post 1086774)
We agree with each other then. Obviously it wasn't wrong to kill the Nazis, that's my point. It's the classic "good vs evil" example. But if you're simply counting bodies the Muslims have killed vastly larger numbers of people than the Nazis did. A fart in a windstorm by comparison really. The Nazi war only lasted about 5 years ('39 to '44). We have been at war with Muslims since 610AD, almost 1400 years!!!

Really? Dont you think this war would be a lot "hotter" if 1.4 billion muslims were ALL involved in it?

Looon 2 January 2009 13:57

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Originally Posted by agx (Post 1086731)
Well haven't we already declared a genocide on "terrorists" or "islamofascists"? Just as we delcared war on the Nazis and the Japanese.

Declaring war has NOTHING to do with genocide.

Greenhat 2 January 2009 14:10

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Originally Posted by Ranger Luna (Post 1086793)
Declaring war has NOTHING to do with genocide.

If it did, the Japanese would no longer exist, and neither would the Germans.

tnkspe119 2 January 2009 14:24

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Originally Posted by Greenhat (Post 1086800)
If it did, the Japanese would no longer exist, and neither would the Germans.


Greenhat/RangerLuna...thanks, that is what I was trying to say. The people I was saying that to obviously didn't smell what I was stepping in. Next time I'm just going to write 1 or 2 sentences and K.I.S.S.

Chaplain 2 January 2009 14:35

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Originally Posted by agx (Post 1086743)
By defintion a religion is any "set of beliefs, values, and practices." Naziism was and IS a religion. Just as Communism is a state-enforced religion in many countries, ie worshipping government instead of God.

So true! I went into Romania on a emergency food relief mission within a few months after the Communist government fell. One elementary school we visited still had the official "hymn" posted on the wall that all children had to sing to Ceauşescu every day! "Cult of Personality" is just PC crap for trying to get a political figure worshipped as a god.



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Originally Posted by agx (Post 1086743)
Islam is basically the same thing in reverse order. Islam focuses heavily on God and worship but then jumps heavily into government. Islam is just as much a political ideology as it is a religion in the spiritual sense.
This makes it even more insidious. Naziism can be easily denounced as the makings of a few evil men. If you went against Naziism you were just going against Hitler. If you go against Islam you're an enemy of God.

The problem is the same no matter what religion or what government you use. When you start mixing them, you've got trouble.


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