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Streck-Fu 9 December 2019 12:58

While the Pensacola shooting is getting the most air time and generating the most traffic, I am seeing nothing about the 2 gate running incidents.

Pretty quiet, there.

Stars and Stripes printed that he was facing NJP but did not elaborate beyond that.

mike76233 9 December 2019 13:41

Foreigners shouldn't be training here and foreigners from Muslim countries shouldn't be here at all. Even 2nd and third generation ones who have so called citizenship are still foreigners.

Polypro 10 December 2019 05:46

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Originally Posted by Steve40th (Post 1058829854)
ANd here is the law they just happen to know about to be able to purchase a firearm.
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...immigrant-visa

Gun Control doesn't work, so whatev's. Would have just used something else, or got one in the local muslim community (which it seems Pensacola has).

GirlwithaGlock 12 December 2019 20:44

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Originally Posted by mike76233 (Post 1058829994)
Even 2nd and third generation ones who have so called citizenship are still foreigners.

:rolleyes:

I will keep that in mind next time I am at the Arlington National Cemetery walking past the graves of first, second and third generation immigrants (Muslims including) who died defending our Country.

Colonel Flagg 12 December 2019 22:07

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Originally Posted by mike76233 (Post 1058829994)
Foreigners shouldn't be training here and foreigners from Muslim countries shouldn't be here at all. Even 2nd and third generation ones who have so called citizenship are still foreigners.

So personnel from long term allies such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Singapore, and South Korea shouldn’t train in the US?

What are your thoughts on soldiers like Larry Thorne and his Lodge-Philbin Act peers?

hawkdrver 13 December 2019 02:15

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Originally Posted by mike76233 (Post 1058829994)
Foreigners shouldn't be training here and foreigners from Muslim countries shouldn't be here at all. Even 2nd and third generation ones who have so called citizenship are still foreigners.

LOL.

We've been training ze chermans at Holloman for 40+ years and they are solid. The Japanese and Malaysian exchange students are also some of the most solid I've ever seen. They do not send their B team.

What is your point I guess.

mike76233 13 December 2019 03:30

My bad. My comment was stupid and poorly written out of anger due to the terror attack. Not saying that is a good excuse for a dumb comment. I shouldn't comment on things when I'm angry. Apologies.

As to what GWAG said, I was specifically referring to Muslims when I made the comment about 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants. Not other immigrants. I speak of Muslims as a collective and not as individuals. There are individuals who don't meet the stereotype I am implying. As a collective, I stand by my opinions on them.

Steve40th 13 December 2019 06:39

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Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg (Post 1058830898)
Larry Thorne and his Lodge-Philbin Act peers?

Well, I for one was very impressed by the short read I did on Wikepdia on this man. Incredible story, should be a movie on him.

Justaclerk 13 December 2019 12:42

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Originally Posted by hawkdrver (Post 1058830920)
LOL.

We've been training ze chermans at Holloman for 40+ years and they are solid. The Japanese and Malaysian exchange students are also some of the most solid I've ever seen. They do not send their B team.

What is your point I guess.

+ Googol.

leopardprey 13 December 2019 19:03

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Originally Posted by GirlwithaGlock (Post 1058830876)
:rolleyes:

I will keep that in mind next time I am at the Arlington National Cemetery walking past the graves of first, second and third generation immigrants (Muslims including) who died defending our Country.

Well said. I always get a kick out of those painting all Muslims with a broad brush who themselves never went overseas. Or have ever lived or worked in a Muslim nation. Yet there have been many hard charging Muslims, USCitizens and Foerign nationals, who have put their life in the line, some dying as well, fighting radical Islamic terrorism. I have had several Muslims serve besides me and risk their life for me that we’re good men. And have had many good decent Muslims befriend me in places like Kuwait, Malaysia, Indonesia, Cambodia. Seen both sides.

leopardprey 13 December 2019 19:08

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Originally Posted by hawkdrver (Post 1058830920)
LOL.

We've been training ze chermans at Holloman for 40+ years and they are solid. The Japanese and Malaysian exchange students are also some of the most solid I've ever seen. They do not send their B team.

What is your point I guess.

Had an Egyptian officer attached to my team during the Q course. Completely worthless. While one of the other teams had a Turkish Officer - hard as wood pecker lips and a true leader.

Never personally worked with the Malaysian military, though have travelled there many times. Friendly people. Fellow SF soldiers in my group who went to Malaysia had nothing but positive things to say about the troops. Same for Indonesia.

Justaclerk 13 December 2019 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by leopardprey (Post 1058831154)
Had an Egyptian officer attached to my team during the Q course. Completely worthless. While one of the other teams had a Turkish Officer - hard as wood pecker lips and a true leader.

Never personally worked with the Malaysian military, though have travelled there many times. Friendly people. Fellow SF soldiers in my group who went to Malaysia had nothing but positive things to say about the troops. Same for Indonesia.

I've always found the Turks to be very gracious and hard workers.

Rockville 15 December 2019 21:45

And the Germans at Holloman? The French Air Force used to train at Nellis AFB (dunno if they brought wines and crisp french bread baked there)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg (Post 1058830898)
So personnel from long term allies such as Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, Singapore, and South Korea shouldn’t train in the US?

What are your thoughts on soldiers like Larry Thorne and his Lodge-Philbin Act peers?


Rockville 15 December 2019 21:51

maybe a small office?
https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/nas_pensacola/om/operations/police_department.html

https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/ppo/Units/Security-Division-PS/Law-Enforcement-and-Corrections-PSL/SELE/MCLEP/BaseInfo/

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Originally Posted by KW Driver (Post 1058829650)
I want to know why sheriffs were first responders/wounded and not SP/DoD cops.


KW Driver 16 December 2019 16:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockville (Post 1058831554)
maybe a small office?
https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrse/installations/nas_pensacola/om/operations/police_department.html

https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/ppo/Units/Security-Division-PS/Law-Enforcement-and-Corrections-PSL/SELE/MCLEP/BaseInfo/

More likely a classroom on an airfield (they have several) off main post. The Army does too, but I always flew out to a stage field to train from a main post field. They should have at least had DoD cop gate guards on their fields, I’d assume.

Dan90 16 December 2019 17:29

One of the wounded was a DoD cop assigned to NASP...

https://weartv.com/news/local/nas-pe...ed-in-shooting


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