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Polypro 11 June 2018 09:57

OnStar Castration
 
Already have most of the deets from YouTube/Web, but just seeing if anyone on here has castrated OnStar from a late Model Silverado/Sierra (Or any other GM product that locates it in the radio stack behind the dash display)?

Dark Helmet 11 June 2018 09:58

I could have told you that this was you making this post before I even saw who did it.

Johnny OPSEC....post!

Polypro 11 June 2018 10:21

Hahahaha! I'd be a real hypocrite if I left that shit intact, no? :biggrin:

B 2/75 11 June 2018 19:09

http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net.../522046786.png

He really is watching

Polypro 13 June 2018 06:18

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Originally Posted by B 2/75 (Post 1058729905)

He really is watching

Yup. How do you violate the BoR, without violating the BoR? Have private industry do it, and grant immunity/turn a blind eye.

Steve788 13 June 2018 20:09

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Originally Posted by Polypro (Post 1058729801)
Already have most of the deets from YouTube/Web, but just seeing if anyone on here has castrated OnStar from a late Model Silverado/Sierra (Or any other GM product that locates it in the radio stack behind the dash display)?

Just get to the coax cable feeding the antenna--
where ever it's easy to get to-- and *snip*.

Polypro 15 June 2018 08:15

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Originally Posted by Steve788 (Post 1058730417)
Just get to the coax cable feeding the antenna--
where ever it's easy to get to-- and *snip*.

No need to snip - the antenna connector can just be disconnected. But the Baseband (Cell Radio) would still be powered (so you *can* just disconnect the other two cable connectors going to the box). But there are two boards inside, connected by a bridge - the Baseband is on the daughter board, so you just remove the bridge connector. This leaves everything else working (XM Radio, various diagnostics, etc...). You can actually find the Pin-Out specs for the cell radio and just cut ONE power pin to be really clean - but I'll need to get inside first. I just wanted some feedback on if anyone else has done it, and any long term gremlins they may have found.

sixgun 15 June 2018 10:09

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Originally Posted by Polypro (Post 1058730782)
This leaves everything else working (XM Radio, various diagnostics, etc...). snip...

Poly just be aware that there may be issues with your insurance carrier, depending on what gets disabled by your "castration"...

Insurance carriers (like USAA, GEICO, Progressive, State Farm - that I know of for sure) have buried in the underwriting language some interesting shit...

They base some of the premium on cars equipped with black boxes on the fact that those boxes not be disable by the owner. If you inadvertently disable a logging function of the boxes, even one leg, they can deny a claim.

That claim denial can include liability coverage - and that's gonna leave a mark if you are found at fault in an accident and there are injuries to the other party...

My solution is to only own older cars and trucks. I can have them as nice as anything on the road today at less costs than a new car - and there are no computers on board at all :biggrin:

Dark Helmet 15 June 2018 10:25

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Originally Posted by sixgun (Post 1058730803)
Poly just be aware that there may be issues with your insurance carrier, depending on what gets disabled by your "castration"...

Insurance carriers (like USAA, GEICO, Progressive, State Farm - that I know of for sure) have buried in the underwriting language some interesting shit...

They base some of the premium on cars equipped with black boxes on the fact that those boxes not be disable by the owner. If you inadvertently disable a logging function of the boxes, even one leg, they can deny a claim.

That claim denial can include liability coverage - and that's gonna leave a mark if you are found at fault in an accident and there are injuries to the other party...

Yeah....no.

You're confusing underwriting with claims adjudication.

It is very true that insurance companies are using all information they can get their hands on...some of them even but little stock drives in your car for you to voluntarily provide them with your driving habits and data. They can thus price the product on that information, such as offering a discount for safe driving habits (no sudden stops, no speeding).

Actually adjudicating the claim, well...they have to follow the policy form, which is aggressively controlled by the state regulatory agencies.

The only way you could get burned here is if you had a warranted application with the carrier, which is never used for auto liability insurance (because it is so heavily regulated).

So, they might charge or credit you based on the information they can glean from your info, but they are not going to deny a cliam because of the disabling of information-collecting equipment. They'll just charge you more at renewal.

sixgun 15 June 2018 11:24

Learn something every day :)

Polypro 16 June 2018 05:14

Two good posts. The Accident Data Logger I'm fine with - the fine print explains what it does; last 10 seconds or so, ONLY under unusual conditions like brake pressure, accel/decel speed, etc.. It doesn't have a radio either - of course, they could be lying, but I'd think we'd know by now. The OnStar is another matter. They state that they still *could/might* log "anonymous user data" even if you don't pay for the service - F that. 50 years without being sued - I'll take the risk, even if DH is wrong (but that's his gig, so...) :biggrin:

1RiserSlip 18 June 2018 20:40

I've had several GM's with ONSTAR and liked it. Absolutely accurate navigation. If you have a medical condition that little emergency button works quicker than 911. I smashed a 2010 Silverado LTZ years ago. Before it even rolled to a stop they were on the line telling me they detected an air bag deployment asking if I needed assistance.

Totally my bad. Insurance Company never mentioned it.

Poly your paranoid.

Purple36 19 June 2018 05:54

That's the problem with Big Data...corps like Google know more about us than .gov. They have no rules to stop their collection and selling of info and it's getting worse. But they make everything soooo convenient and in the case of Onstar...it is helpful when needed.

It's what the companies do with it behind the scenes that is scary. Babelstreet's capabilities are horrifying...at least they price their subscription high enough to keep out the average scumbag...

sixgun 19 June 2018 10:34

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Originally Posted by Purple36 (Post 1058731471)
Babelstreet's capabilities are horrifying...

Yep...

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/a...ports-stadiums

Polypro 21 June 2018 14:36

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Originally Posted by 1RiserSlip (Post 1058731433)
Poly your paranoid.

It's only paranoia if tracking *ISN'T* happening...they tell you in the manual that it is, even if you don't subscribe.

Not fond of tracking, being a big 4A advocate. Also not fond of someone other than me (OnStar/LE), having the decision and capability to remotely disable property that I own outright.

Would you be for a company that installed a tracking device on your firearm with remote trigger locking capability?


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