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dfender110 8 April 2011 20:13

Aircrew member survey
Guys, Pass this around. It is an official DOD survey about back pain and military flying. Not sure what they can or will do with the info but it may help in some way.

Took me less than 10 minutes.


Mods, not sure if this should be posted anywhere else as well, feel free to pass it on.


BKK 19 April 2011 12:34

Thanks for the link. I will post it on another Army Pilot Forum.

It is the least we can do for all those hours in poorly designed seats.

Skidder 19 April 2011 15:36

I spent more time trying to ensure 'they' understood that any design sponsored pain I may have really didn't hit me until much closer to 20 years of service, rather than earlier in my career.

Overall, I didn't get the impression that the questions will result in any changes to the aircraft at all. Seemed more like a CYA action/predictor of future VA claims.

JAFO 19 April 2011 18:58

Agreed. Just because the seats "stroke" on impact, doesn't mean that they stroke your back. The H-60 hunch is still killing me.

CrewDogGmoney 1 May 2011 23:10

Has anyone sat in the 60M seats for long flights? Opinions? I'm used to sitting FWD in the CE A/L seats with the Oregon Aero cush.

Jet Rooster 3 May 2011 12:34

Helicopter Back
Funny, they did the same thing about 30 years ago. It was determined then that the combination of vibration and the "slouch" that was required to properly operate the controls were direct causes of "Helicopter Back": as it was called then.

Little Fix 4 May 2011 02:29

I have not yet sat in a UH-60M seat but I am willing to bet it isn't much better than the current seats.

I agree that the vibratory environment of helicopters is not conducive to long term back and neck health. I also think that the biggest thing not accounted for is the number of NVG hours flown and the amount of hours flown in full body armor. It's not a direct correlation between combat hours flown and hours flown with armor... The more weight you put on the body the more strain that is involved and this survey didn't take that into account at all.

DESmole 4 February 2014 00:31

The Mike seats are quite a bit better for long distances, except when the fwd/back adjustment cable is broken along with the vertical adjustment cable. Before you know it you're flying from KY to the Keys sitting on your knees because its more comfortable.

Buff Pilot 4 October 2014 10:38

Being a B-52 D model copilot, we flew 12 hour missions in an ejection seat from Guam to Vietnam and back 3 nights a week. It got old real quick.
I had 470 days TDY in SEA. I knew a gunner with 900 days TDY.

BigNutz 20 July 2016 20:05

I know this is bringing back an ancient thread, but was there ever any traction with this? I never went to sick-call when I should have back when I crewed Hawks, thus no documentation. Couldn't accept being pulled off flight status.

Little Fix 21 July 2016 10:03

The study was used to leverage some procurement decisions but nothing else new that I've heard of has come from it.

JAFO 21 July 2016 10:52

It would be nice to see the study forwarded on to the VA Medical side.

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