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Silverbullet 24 January 2008 11:23

Resume Guidance
 
I wanted to bring some points up, again, due to a few posts which caused an influx of resumes over the last few days.

I'm still seeing very poorly organized documents called resumes. For some reason many are still being sold on an esoteric resume format vice something that flows smoothly and uses words that mean something.

Use a simple format. Stop bolding words you think are important. Stop using Special Operations every other sentence. If dudes from SMU's don't need to do it, then you don't either. While it may impress the non military background HR person it is completely transparent to the experienced dude who may have the final say. Pick key training that you've attended and list it. Listing every crse you've ever attended, even if not relevant, takes up space better used to list work history and operational experience. I know all the pre retirement/separation seminars tell you about writing to impress but they don't know what they are talking about in regards to this industry. You either have the experience or you don't. You either participated in operations or you didn't.

As stated before don't bury your actual operational experience with a page of fluff you think someone may like. Stress it without exaggeration. It's important. Schools and other training is listed to enhance your experience, not replace it. The first thing I look at on any resume is the work experience. If it's jacked up or uses every buzz word or term in existence, I can pretty much be assured the person is covering for something he is lacking.

I can't stress any of this enough and the use of one professional email for job hunting, is vitally important. hotlove@skank . com or killer@ xxxx. com won't cut it. Something with your first initial/last name or initials is what you should shoot for. Don't use it for your everyday email if you like to email your buds jokes or any type of chain mail. It won't look good if you mistakenly email porno to the same HR person you sent your resume to 3 days earlier.

I'd like to see everyone who is qualified to work, get work, but some effort on the resume needs to be made.

BTW, the DOS format is not a format to use to look for work anywhere but DOS.

Good luck.

Silverbullet 24 January 2008 11:27

I started this thread due to the many questions being asked about the subj via post and PM.

The post above is pulled from an older thread since I thought it had info that could help kick this thread off.

Please post all subj related questions here or exchange ideas that have worked for you in the past.

r8er55 24 January 2008 12:03

SB,
I have damn near a binder full of trainng for being in LE for 20 years. If I list them all would that be over-kill? If I should list them should it be in reverse chronological order like the CV?

BadMuther 24 January 2008 13:20

Can someone explain the difference between a CV and a resume to me?

Outofcontrol 24 January 2008 13:36

Here ya go...
 
http://jobsearch.about.com/od/curric...culumvitae.htm


Quote:

Originally Posted by BadMuther
Can someone explain the difference between a CV and a resume to me?


OOC, out

r8er55 24 January 2008 13:50

Thanks
 
That's a great resource.

ALLEYCAT-2 24 January 2008 14:21

Thanks Sb good info

Silverbullet 24 January 2008 14:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by r8er55
SB,
I have damn near a binder full of trainng for being in LE for 20 years. If I list them all would that be over-kill? If I should list them should it be in reverse chronological order like the CV?

I think listing them all would be overkill. I'm sure some of them are redundant training, ie...they teach the same thing.

Depending on what job or jobs you are applying for I suggest that you list every crse that gives you a recognized certification followed by crse/training that enhance your skills. No one is going to read a long list of training crses on a resume. Most people are going to look to see if you're qualified for the job via actual experience and then look for a few industry recognized crses. Everything after that is gravy and you need to use that gravy sparingly so as not to spoil the impact. In most cases it's what you have done before that gets you the job.

The worst thing someone can do, unless being hired by a numbskull, is to list crse after crse. As stated above the first thing I do is wonder if the person is trying to make up for lack of experience by listing so many crse's.

r8er55 24 January 2008 15:55

Thanks SB. I will continue to work on it.

Rover in Iraq 31 December 2008 00:56

Resumes/CVs for PMCs
 
Guys,
I know what the ACAP and like programs put out about 1-2 page resumes however most PMC type corporations actually want more details. DO NOT be afraid to do a detailed chronolagical resume. DO NOT be afraid to be narrative rather than bulleted. Especially for the more doctrine/training related positions. If there is an interestand the mods/admins don't have a problem with it. I will be happy to post an example resume of what I have found to work for me. I have not been out of work for the last 13 years.
Regards,
Rover

nofear 31 December 2008 01:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rover in Iraq (Post 1085879)
Guys,
I know what the ACAP and like programs put out about 1-2 page resumes however most PMC type corporations actually want more details. DO NOT be afraid to do a detailed chronolagical resume. DO NOT be afraid to be narrative rather than bulleted. Especially for the more doctrine/training related positions. If there is an interestand the mods/admins don't have a problem with it. I will be happy to post an example resume of what I have found to work for me. I have not been out of work for the last 13 years.
Regards,
Rover

Not disputing your personal experience, but speaking to the recruiter from a major PSC, they like to see all relevant info in the first page. If not, they move on to the next CV.

Those of you who know Bex from AG, she was the one who told me this.

Rover in Iraq 31 December 2008 03:40

NF,
I'm not disputing what PSCs might want as they basically want guys for a for a very specific mission. I qualified my post as you can see below in bold print. I personally don't count PSCs as PMCs. In this theater at least presently, most of the PSC contracts are with DoS, the exception being the Static Security contracts which are managed by expats but mainly peopled by TCNs. When I say PMC I mean those companies primarily contracted by DoD to provide training, analytical skills, logictical accountibility skills to the CF in various theaters. The example I would post does have a cover page explaining relevant esperience however it is followed with a very detailed chronology of experience. Sorry if I confused the issue. If no one is interested that's cool too.
RiI

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofear (Post 1085897)
Not disputing your personal experience, but speaking to the recruiter from a major PSC, they like to see all relevant info in the first page. If not, they move on to the next CV.

Those of you who know Bex from AG, she was the one who told me this.

Originally Posted by Rover in Iraq http://www.socnet.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
Guys,
I know what the ACAP and like programs put out about 1-2 page resumes however most PMC type corporations actually want more details. DO NOT be afraid to do a detailed chronolagical resume. DO NOT be afraid to be narrative rather than bulleted. Especially for the more doctrine/training related positions. If there is an interestand the mods/admins don't have a problem with it. I will be happy to post an example resume of what I have found to work for me. I have not been out of work for the last 13 years.
Regards,
Rover

Silverbullet 1 January 2009 04:42

I merged Rovers posts and made the thread a sticky.

This thread is a companion to the "How To Get Work......" thread.

The Fat Guy 1 January 2009 07:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by nofear (Post 1085897)
Not disputing your personal experience, but speaking to the recruiter from a major PSC, they like to see all relevant info in the first page. If not, they move on to the next CV.

Those of you who know Bex from AG, she was the one who told me this.

Your cover letter is a good way of doing this. Summarize the relevant information and then explain how this experience will benefit the company. Once intrigued, the HR person is likely to either look at the CV / Resume or at least pass it on to the next step.

Silverbullet 1 January 2009 10:20

If using a cover letter, you need to ensure it's concise and to the point. I see too many cover letters that say the same thing in different ways over and over throughout the content.

Don't use acronyms, unless it's so well known it is common language.

Don't be wordy just to write more words.

Don't write in a paragraph form what your resume contains in a different form.

Do use the cover letter to gain and maintain interest and end with a thank you.

Do make sure what you write in your cover letter is supported in your resume.

bmbsqd 1 January 2009 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverbullet (Post 1086258)
If using a cover letter, you need to ensure it's concise and to the point. I see too many cover letters that say the same thing in different ways over and over throughout the content.

Don't use acronyms, unless it's so well known it is common language.

Don't be wordy just to write more words.

Don't write in a paragraph form what your resume contains in a different form.

Do use the cover letter to gain and maintain interest and end with a thank you.

Do make sure what you write in your cover letter is supported in your resume.

SB,

Good points. I know you guys are mostly talking about PSC type resumes, but I wanted to also point out the standard "EOD/UXO" resume now only includes dates of assignments, position, location and company. I have 20yrs of EOD/UXO work on a single page! Much easier now.

Many guys want to put on what type of ordnance they found, how much demo they did, their college degrees, etc. The USACE and other agencies only want the straight intel, as they already know an EOD tech has millions of dollars in training and experience. If anyone needs a sample copy of the latest COE guidance on the EOD/UXO resume just hit me up and I'll send a copy.

Papa Smurf 9 May 2009 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadMuther (Post 963352)
Can someone explain the difference between a CV and a resume to me?

Short version - the CV (curriculum Vitae) includes more personal data than a resume which is only concerned with qualifications and job history.

Long version - The CV includes a list of all your educational and academic achievements as well as any teaching or research experience. If you have written any published material such as a book or article in a trade journal. It also includes any prestigious awards or honors you have received. You also list any affiliations to public organizations. While this type of reference is normally used in Europe and the middle east it has become more accepted in the US for jobs that involve teaching or community interaction.

They not only want to know how well you can do the job they want to know if you play well with others... :biggrin:

Ruski 30 March 2010 14:48

Hi all

Great posts, and very insightful. Would somebody be interested in looking at my resume and just giving me a few pointers or corrections. I have revised my resume 50 times already and it just doesn't seem good enough. Any help at all would be appreciated.

Aleksei

Breandan 19 April 2010 16:35

This thread answered some questions, but I have a broader, big-picture one- For those of us with minimal military and LE experience (a.k.a., the neophytes of the PMC world) and minimal training and experience compared to the operator with 17 years of SpecOps background, how do we present our experience, training, and work history in a way that is honest, yet won't wind it up in File 13 in ten seconds flat?

I guess what I am getting at is how do we make a comparably thin resume competitive without BSing or stretching things?

Silverbullet 19 April 2010 18:26

The short answer is you can't.

You'll never be competitive against a guy who has the years and experience on you.

The long answer is that you can make yourself more competitive over time.

You may need to take jobs that suck but allow you some upward mobility. You should also invest in yourself as well. While I'm not an advocate of any one training program being a replacement for experience, you can enhance relatively little experience with attendance at the right training programs and continued professional development.


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