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While we executed a search/arrest warrant one of our guys (JR) was hit by the suspect with what the Doctors say a 12ga slug. Really, really solid dude. He was breaching the door when he was hit. We have a PA as our medic attached to the team, saved JR’s life, after dragging him back behind the MRAP. Couple surgeries down, a long road to recovery. LE career probably over.
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What a tragedy. There has to be a better way to arrest a guy like this than breaching when he's inside and armed. The outcome is almost predictable. What about the "have someone smack him behind the ear with a blackjack while he's buying his Big Gulp at 7-11" option?

I pray for the Officer's recovery, and I hope LEO's everywhere will learn from this horrible occurrence, because otherwise it was all for nothing. You gotta be smarter than the average bear......
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While we executed a search/arrest warrant one of our guys (JR) was hit by the suspect with what the Doctors say a 12ga slug. Really, really solid dude. He was breaching the door when he was hit. We have a PA as our medic attached to the team, saved JR’s life, after dragging him back behind the MRAP. Couple surgeries down, a long road to recovery. LE career probably over.
Sorry brother. I heard about that and wondered if it was your team. Prayers for him, his family and the rest of the team.
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What a tragedy. There has to be a better way to arrest a guy like this than breaching when he's inside and armed. The outcome is almost predictable. What about the "have someone smack him behind the ear with a blackjack while he's buying his Big Gulp at 7-11" option?

I pray for the Officer's recovery, and I hope LEO's everywhere will learn from this horrible occurrence, because otherwise it was all for nothing. You gotta be smarter than the average bear......
I’ve been apart of multiply arrest in how you describe. I prefer doing it “out in town” and away from the arsenal. It’s becoming a wider practiced technique. They may have wanted to but situation did not allow.
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What a tragedy. There has to be a better way to arrest a guy like this than breaching when he's inside and armed. The outcome is almost predictable. What about the "have someone smack him behind the ear with a blackjack while he's buying his Big Gulp at 7-11" option?

I pray for the Officer's recovery, and I hope LEO's everywhere will learn from this horrible occurrence, because otherwise it was all for nothing. You gotta be smarter than the average bear......
Here's to a speedy and complete recovery.

As to taking him in public, you have to figure out your balance point between possibly letting him fire shots in a public setting with no real way to contain him or keep by standers generally safe vs. taking him in a (possibly) fortified structure where he is only directing shots at people that are prepared and willing to do the job.

Tough call to make.
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Damn man, that sucks. I hope he recovers as well and quickly as possible. Thank God it wasn’t worse.
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Here's to a speedy and complete recovery.

As to taking him in public, you have to figure out your balance point between possibly letting him fire shots in a public setting with no real way to contain him or keep by standers generally safe vs. taking him in a (possibly) fortified structure where he is only directing shots at people that are prepared and willing to do the job.

Tough call to make.
Agreed, but just to be clear, I was suggesting something a lot more low key than a traffic stop or something like that, I'm talking about him being trailed by people in plainclothes and non LE issue vehicles, with some guy who is "least likely to be made as a cop", as I said, waiting in line behind him in the store and when his hands are busy, smacking him behind the ear with a flat sap. Hard. The guy was known to have weapons and had threatened to use them against LEO's, as far as I'm concerned that buys a lot of latitude in the actual mechanics of taking him into custody. "Speed, surprise, violence of action." Identify yourself when he wakes up. "Oh by the way, we're the Police".....

Him with a fractured skull, concussion, whatever vs. that officer taking a 12 gauge slug is an easy choice for me. Thank God he wasn't better equipped and better trained, as anyone with military FIBA/MOBA/MOUT training knows its not beyond the realm of possibility that most of the stack could have died in the funnel. A 20rd mag dump of 7.62 could easily accomplish that, shield and plates or not.
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Agreed, but just to be clear, I was suggesting something a lot more low key than a traffic stop or something like that, I'm talking about him being trailed by people in plainclothes and non LE issue vehicles, with some guy who is "least likely to be made as a cop", as I said, waiting in line behind him in the store and when his hands are busy, smacking him behind the ear with a flat sap. Hard
There’d be a thread on here within the hour “police misconduct thread 47”. Or worse, get smoked by a CCW who is in line behind you.
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Old 3 June 2018, 20:40
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There's about a 0% chance of an arrest like that these days and the hand wringing public would be calling for heads and probably get them. Possibly black officers/white suspect but a sap or anything similar would be career suicide.
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