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Old 7 April 2020, 19:30
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Yesterday marked 50 years since the Newhall Massacre. CHP officers George Michael Alleyn, 24, Walter Carroll Frago, 23, Roger Davis Gore, 23, and James E. Pence Jr., 24 were killed during a traffic stop on I-5 near Newhall California. All four officers had less than two years in the agency, and left a total of seven children behind.

I don't recall when I heard about it, but early on in my shooting life, I heard that "some CHP officer was found dead with his brass in his pocket because that's how they trained at the range." It wasn't true (at least this case), but the legend was still being used in the early 90s when I went to the academy.

RIP officers. Grace and peace to their family and friends.
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Old 7 April 2020, 22:02
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Along those lines I remember when 3 OHP( Okla ) troopers were ambushed and killed. I had handled one of the shooters about 3 years earlier. The 2 shooters were killed by a fellow trooper.
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Old 8 April 2020, 09:43
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Yesterday marked 50 years since the Newhall Massacre.

I don't recall when I heard about it, but early on in my shooting life, I heard that "some CHP officer was found dead with his brass in his pocket because that's how they trained at the range." It wasn't true (at least this case), but the legend was still being used in the early 90s when I went to the academy.

RIP officers. Grace and peace to their family and friends.
I heard same (brass in pocket, from repeated training/firing
range "we don't want to spend all day picking up your brass"
doctrine. Cue in, "how your train is how you fight" mantra,
now.

The brass-in-pocket/slowed-revolver-reloading WAS in the video
and in the officer safety text compilation we got,
in Cali POST Basic Academy (1991 for me).

In past few years I've heard the "brass in pocket", called a
myth.

I'll say this...we had a county peace officer's range, open for
use anytime it wasn't scheduled for agency use. Range SOP
for individuals AND agencies was "police your brass, leave
range clean."

I got in habit of checking the scheduling board, and visiting
*after* CHP fired. Every time, CHP left that range _carpeted_
with nickle .40 S&W brass...every time. I was loading
and shooting a lot of .40 at the time and filled several 5-gal
buckets with CHP brass.

No other agency that used the range, left brass laying all over.
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Old 8 April 2020, 15:52
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There is a new book out on newhall....”Newhall, a tactical analysis”
Reading it now.....photos clearly show he dumped spent cartridges on the ground. He had just finished reloading from his dump pouch when the final shot into his head came. He slumped over and the revolver was found in his hand, loaded, but cylinder open. He had already absorbed four rounds at this point before being shot execution style from a flanking move by the suspect.
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