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Old 6 April 2017, 08:27
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Turkey planning to move against Kurds in Iraq

Erdogan planning ops against PKK and YPG in Sinjar

That's absolute madness. I hope the President has something to say about this.

And yeah, good luck on getting them to take down the flag.

Fuck Turkey though, for real.
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Old 6 April 2017, 09:10
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Erdogan has been promising to slay the PKK for decades. He gets tons of political capital out of it. Who knows, maybe this time he means it.
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Old 24 April 2017, 03:06
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Good luck. Any country who tries to go toe to toe with the PKK in the qandil is walking into a meat grinder. Between minefields and extremely entrenched positions, logistically its a nightmare. There is no way to logistically resupply units in those mointains outside of airdrops. And in which case the pkk and other groups including iranian kurds have AA weaponry and dont take kindly to non American aircraft in the area. Using helos as resupply is asking to lose equipment and personnel and paradrops are risking getting ambushed during resupply. Turkey is living a pipedream if they think they can physically fight in the qandil. Most of the PKK bunkers are earthen works with reinforced layered concrete. They won't dislodge them and will instead waste $, men and resources trying to do so.
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Old 25 April 2017, 08:28
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Just heard that today, 25th April the Turkish Air Force conducted at least 15 airstrikes targeting PKK positions/bases in Kursi, Chilmira, Shibil Qasim and Bab Shilu areas of Sinjar Mountain as well as one PKK/YBŞ position near Umm al-Thiban Village. Possible deadly casualties reported.

It's possible that a Kurds SF base in Chilmira was also attacked with fatalities reported as well.
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Old 26 April 2017, 03:48
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Turks seemed to have serious problems taking al-Bab and then further humiliation when they were stopped from taking Manbij.
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Old 26 April 2017, 06:08
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I'd like us to fight most of these wars by proxy, arm the shit out of the kurds, give them money, ammo, training and guns.

That whole Ollie North situation sure fucked up our swagger

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Old 26 April 2017, 06:39
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After Manbij the Kurds must know how this will end for them in the long run? Their only hope is that Putin falls out with Erdogan and poisons him.
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Old 26 April 2017, 07:33
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I'd like us to fight most of these wars by proxy, arm the shit out of the kurds, give them money, ammo, training and guns.

That whole Ollie North situation sure fucked up our swagger
Kurds are better than the other military structure of Iraq (ISF, FedPol, Rapid Reaction Forces etc). However, they're not prone to internal fighting that often deadly. For example, the 1994 civil war between the PUK and PDK that caused around 2000 people dead.

This is why there is a reluctance to support the Kurds by giving them arms because of the exact fear. Daesh is uniting everybody in Iraq right now, but then they're gone, there will be a more nasty infighting among these groups, including potentially between the Kurds themselves.
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Old 26 April 2017, 07:45
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Sounds great to me, help them kill daesh, then each other.

You're right, we should give very low quality weapons so they break and go to crap after 4 years or so...hopefully when they're done killing each other they can't use them elsewhere.
I've never seen plastic hybrid rifles designed to erode after time, seems like a good idea to me.
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Old 27 April 2017, 18:00
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Kurds are better than the other military structure of Iraq (ISF, FedPol, Rapid Reaction Forces etc). However, they're not prone to internal fighting that often deadly. For example, the 1994 civil war between the PUK and PDK that caused around 2000 people dead.

This is why there is a reluctance to support the Kurds by giving them arms because of the exact fear. Daesh is uniting everybody in Iraq right now, but then they're gone, there will be a more nasty infighting among these groups, including potentially between the Kurds themselves.
The intra-Kurdish issues of the 90a is extremely unlikely to happen again. There is a huge sour taste amongst kurds to bring about a Kurd v kurd fight again. It's one thing for other countries to do it (Turkey v pkk) But Most kurds including major tribes and parties won't physically start a civil war. In 2015 PKK attacked our (pdki) positions in the qandil and lost massive support from the local populations in the area of the fighting.

It's acceptable for Kurds to allow other countries to do actions(EX PDK and Turk relationship, but the minute its kurd v kurd even hardline party supporters draw the line)
the issue with arming kurds isn't intra conflict, but the very likely potential of weapons ending up in other kurdish areas. PDKI has for instance (along with PAK) transported US made AT4,Small arms and indirect systems into the Iranian border. If you give weapons to the PUK or KDP, expect a % to end up in non Iraq Kurdish sepratist hands.
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