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Old 11 May 2014, 04:43
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Ok, all bullshit aside, this is ridiculous. It has been almost 7 years since this happened. A Federal judge dismissed charges against one of them due to statute of limitation concerns.

Only one of them is being charged with murder, while the others are being charged with manslaughter. As I recall the entire crime scene was a goat fuck and totally contaminated.

Even more disgusting is that they are going after these guys, but "dude Benghazi was like 2 years ago".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...harge-23657827
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Old 11 May 2014, 05:11
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...its all about the victims.

On one hand you have a US ambassador killed over a religiously sensitive youtube video.
On the other, an Iraqi civilian killed purely so that Darth Chaney could put bloody oil money in his evil capitalist bank account.

Clearly you see the importance of what is going on here? War profiteers must be punished.
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Old 11 May 2014, 08:43
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There is no statute of limitations on a 1st degree murder charge.
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Ok, all bullshit aside, this is ridiculous. It has been almost 7 years since this happened. A Federal judge dismissed charges against one of them due to statute of limitation concerns.
As a general rule, the statute of limitation for a crime is usually comparable to the maximum sentence for said crime. It may vary from state to state as well as the Feds.

In Massachusetts we have a minimum statute of limitations for lower level offenses of 6 years and no limit for murder since the maxim imam sentence is life.
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Old 11 May 2014, 09:06
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the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington, D.C........
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Old 11 May 2014, 09:10
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How are they supposed to receive due process if the crime scene is on a battlefield and the host nation witnesses are coerced by their government?

This is utter bullshit and probably linked to a civil suit.

Big surprise the US attorney in DC came from one of the law firms doing "pro bono" work at Guantanamo and is a coworker with Jamie Gorelick.
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Old 11 May 2014, 09:13
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The only thing that's bullshit is the number of people also responsible that walked away from it all with no repercussion, others, state dept personnel, and former BW management. This should have been tied up with a bow right after the incident, might want to revisit instituting UCMJ and summary processes for PMC in any theatre of war.
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On one hand you have a US ambassador killed over a religiously sensitive youtube video.
No.
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No.
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POTUS and DOS said so
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The trial -- and subsequent punishment (hopefully there is), is long overdue....
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The trial -- and subsequent punishment (hopefully there is), is long overdue....
Hater.

In all seriousness, I wasn't there for that event and have no special insight, but I witnessed enough ridiculous behavior in other events (dudes just itching to get trigger time, and sometimes creating their own problem just so they could) that I certainly won't automatically jump to these guys' defense.

What's the PMC equivalent of the the Thin Blue Line?
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Regardless of the actions of those invovled in this incident, it's striking if you compare this against Benghazi. Blood on the hands of Hillary Clinton, the President, SecDef and a a host of others.

Guess Iraqi blood is more valuable than American blood...

I'm amazed by the poor leadership displayed by those who Slatten reported to. Just one payback comment should have gotten him fired. The fact he repeated it as well as the other allegations indicates some serious problems with leaders at state and BW.

The icing on the cake is whether he was one of those who thought it was cool to get a BW tatoo. IMO anyone who did is automatically disqualified from ever working on any project I'm associated with. Lol
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My comparison was simply this. I have no idea if they did or didn't do anything wrong. But the entire thing was botched from the legal standpoint. Crime scene was trashed, witnesses, etc... had it been dealt with quickly and efficiently from the beginning and had the USG actually done something I may have been ok with it, but they didn't. And my feeling is that they only took action due to politics.

My mentioning of Benghazi was in reference to the fact that 4 Americans were killed almost 2 years ago and no one on our side has been held accountable. Yet, we are still trying to go after 4 Americans who may or may not have acted unlawfully.

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Regardless of the actions of those invovled in this incident, it's striking if you compare this against Benghazi. Blood on the hands of Hillary Clinton, the President, SecDef and a a host of others.

Guess Iraqi blood is more valuable than American blood...

I'm amazed by the poor leadership displayed by those who Slatten reported to. Just one payback comment should have gotten him fired. The fact he repeated it as well as the other allegations indicates some serious problems with leaders at state and BW.

The icing on the cake is whether he was one of those who thought it was cool to get a BW tatoo. IMO anyone who did is automatically disqualified from ever working on any project I'm associated with. Lol
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If you read the article, the guy mentioned was being charged with manslaughter. After a federal judge dismissed that charge based on statute of limitation concerns, they then decided to use the murder charge.

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As a general rule, the statute of limitation for a crime is usually comparable to the maximum sentence for said crime. It may vary from state to state as well as the Feds.

In Massachusetts we have a minimum statute of limitations for lower level offenses of 6 years and no limit for murder since the maxim imam sentence is life.
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My comparison was simply this. I have no idea if they did or didn't do anything wrong. But the entire thing was botched from the legal standpoint. Crime scene was trashed, witnesses, etc... had it been dealt with quickly and efficiently from the beginning and had the USG actually done something I may have been ok with it, but they didn't. And my feeling is that they only took action due to politics.

My mentioning of Benghazi was in reference to the fact that 4 Americans were killed almost 2 years ago and no one on our side has been held accountable. Yet, we are still trying to go after 4 Americans who may or may not have acted unlawfully.
Not sure why you quoted me and posted this. I didn't comment on anything you said.
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Old 11 May 2014, 16:42
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SB,

I guess I misunderstood your previous post above.
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This whole thing started under the Bush admin, correct? Sacrificial lambs so the contractor war machine could keep making $$$'s after a SOFA was signed - Ooops, no SOFA. And like everything else, the current admin ran with it (Like the Drake prosecution, etc...) because a bunch of DA's/AAG's want to make names for themselves.

Just like that former Ranger in jail for interrogation in A-Stan ...all while places like Camp NAMA were in full swing. Or entire occupied apartment buildings being leveled to try and get one guy.

They're all a blight on humanity.

These guys? Yeah, no automatic defense here either, cuz amateurs were all over the place over there... but this is political scape goating run amok, if you ask me.
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Old 12 May 2014, 11:38
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These guys? Yeah, no automatic defense here either, cuz amateurs were all over the place over there... but this is political scape goating run amok, if you ask me.
As one who ran the WPPS guys through the vetting process down in Moyock, the bolded statement is SO fucking dead on!
Yes, even a Coastie could see that BW was sending people over there that had zero business watching anyone's back. Most were pretty solid but some were downright scary! They were advertising the positions on Monster for crying out loud.
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cuz amateurs were all over the place over there... but this is political scape goating run amok, if you ask me.
Polypro..... No shit DEC 2003, there I was at Moyock and I was in a class to head over on the Bremer Detail.... and yes, the senior trainer asked the class "Who here hasn't shot an M-4 carbine before?" .. guys actually raised their hands...... Immediately I knew I was in the wrong room.... (then there was created 3CGI, as it was referred to then, they called and pulled me out of that train wreck !!!, and that was that, thank God).

Wrongs being wrongs, I still think it is beyond fucked up to used protected statements in the prosecutions.......
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Old 12 May 2014, 14:08
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Ego was the biggest problem, top to bottom this is what's really behind just about every major debacle the company faced. Amateur might have gone hand in hand with some of that but more often it was the opposite.

There was also courage and exceptional actions taken by BW personnel, a lot of it.
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