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Old 14 November 2018, 09:34
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Old 14 November 2018, 13:13
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One guy went down to a greek area to escape the flames and said the heat was so intense he could feel it underwater...
Greek areas and water. Sorry, couldn’t help it.
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Old 15 November 2018, 12:36
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Seems pretty simple. Either manage Nature on the front end or she will manage herself in her own way.

God forbid the land doesn't "remain undisturbed" because some of the undergrowth/dead plant life was cleared out or burned off. Let all that fuel build up out of some sort of environmental guilt and guess what happens? Mother Nature gets rid of it, and in an uncontrollable way.

I have zero issue with the President telling CA to either change their policies or stop expecting the rest of the country to continue to pay for it.
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Old 15 November 2018, 23:02
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Did you see how that house was made. It was made of rebar all thru the house an each was attached to other rebar. it was made to stand winds up to 250 MPH or more.
That's how monolithic dome buildings are made. REBAR and "Shotcrete"....they put a huge balloon inside the rebar dome frame and shoot concrete all over it. It dries, they remove the "balloon", at least that's how I remember it.

I have a "tearout" from American Survival Guide magazine on this, from like 25 years ago, I'll have to take a look for it.

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Watching David Muir a couple of nights ago he had a gentleman on that saved his house by using his pool.
Living in a town where so many houses, even cheaper ones have an in-ground pool, I've though about what kind of setup would be best for using an 18K gal. pool as a water source for this. Anyone got any suggestions? Type of pump, fire hose, etc.? We have a whole stand of pine tree's across the back wall that make me uneasy, there's two huge branches that reach out in our direction more and more every year. Those things look tinder dry much of the year....
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Old 15 November 2018, 23:32
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My house that I have built in the not too distant future will be made out of rebar-reinforced ICF blocks. After that picture of the wildfire (and which home survived) I think it's a no brainer in disaster probe AOs.
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Old 16 November 2018, 00:39
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Are you sure you would want your house to survive? From what I've read that might not be a good thing as all the smoke damage makes the house inhabitable and you won't be able to recoup from insurance like you would if it had been burned to the ground. Maybe just making a safe space for stuff that is too important to get burned up would be better.
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Old 16 November 2018, 01:13
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Are you sure you would want your house to survive? From what I've read that might not be a good thing as all the smoke damage makes the house inhabitable and you won't be able to recoup from insurance like you would if it had been burned to the ground. Maybe just making a safe space for stuff that is too important to get burned up would be better.
Yeah, you're still going to need some place to live. Ask all those folks in Cali who are homeless and run out of money for a hotel room about that.....plus I would want to shelter in place. With my stuff. Because looters.
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Old 16 November 2018, 01:16
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Yeah, you're still going to need some place to live. Ask all those folks in Cali who are homeless and run out of money for a hotel room about that.....plus I would want to shelter in place. With my stuff. Because looters.
I had a house fire last year, smoke damage is no joke and I doubt you'd want to live in that house. Reading about people who had their house survive a fire only wishing it had burned down because so little was salvageable.
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Old 16 November 2018, 01:21
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I had a house fire last year, smoke damage is no joke and I doubt you'd want to live in that house. Reading about people who had their house survive a fire only wishing it had burned down because so little was salvageable.
It's something to consider, but you are talking about conventional houses with smoke damage. For the dome homes I am talking about, if you have everything all sealed up and there's no smoke getting in, what problem? I'm not talking about houses that burn, even partially, I'm talking about homes that didn't. Specifically forest fires, not house fires.
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Old 16 November 2018, 01:52
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It's something to consider, but you are talking about conventional houses with smoke damage. For the dome homes I am talking about, if you have everything all sealed up and there's no smoke getting in, what problem? I'm not talking about houses that burn, even partially, I'm talking about homes that didn't. Specifically forest fires, not house fires.
Well then you'd probably want a house that seals up enough that no outside air can get in. If you can do that it would probably be ok. Me, I'd just rather purchase good homeowners insurance.
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Old 16 November 2018, 02:03
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Well then you'd probably want a house that seals up enough that no outside air can get in.
For someone building a house of this type in Cali, with the chronic forest fire problem they have in mind, exactly so.
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Old 16 November 2018, 02:09
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Bottom line, California’s populace built cities up and down the San Andrés fault.

Half of San Francisco was built on a garbage dump over the bay.

Los Angeles was built in a desert.

I do not feel for these people.
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Old 16 November 2018, 02:27
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It's something to consider, but you are talking about conventional houses with smoke damage. For the dome homes I am talking about, if you have everything all sealed up and there's no smoke getting in, what problem? I'm not talking about houses that burn, even partially, I'm talking about homes that didn't. Specifically forest fires, not house fires.
I don't like hearing anyone talk about trying to shelter in place. Please reconsider your position, bobofthedesert.

No matter how awesome of a house you build out of concrete, if a fire like this hits and you get the bad parts of the fire that move in your direction, your concrete may stand but everything inside is done, including you. The fire gets into your home through the windows(as in heat through the glass) and vents, it will set your curtains/blinds on fire, your couch on fire, and you on fire. This is why part of the evacuation process is to pull all furniture away from the walls and into the center of the room, and to close all blinds and hope for the best. But even then, with heat and flames to the extreme it still won't matter.

You'd be better off building a huge parking lot and having your concrete house in the middle of that.
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Old 16 November 2018, 10:09
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I don't like hearing anyone talk about trying to shelter in place. Please reconsider your position, bobofthedesert.

No matter how awesome of a house you build out of concrete, if a fire like this hits and you get the bad parts of the fire that move in your direction, your concrete may stand but everything inside is done, including you. The fire gets into your home through the windows(as in heat through the glass) and vents, it will set your curtains/blinds on fire, your couch on fire, and you on fire. This is why part of the evacuation process is to pull all furniture away from the walls and into the center of the room, and to close all blinds and hope for the best. But even then, with heat and flames to the extreme it still won't matter.

You'd be better off building a huge parking lot and having your concrete house in the middle of that.
Exactly. The best thing to be done is to make sure that you have enough cleared around the house so that the jump factor can prevent your place from becoming part of the problem. From what I have heard and read so far, that is damn near impossible in Cali.

The weather whipped this thing into such a frenzy with all the fuel, it just was impossible to do anything but run and even some people sadly didn't get out in time. The scariest fire I ever learned about what wildland fire, I never wanted to deal with it. I will take a burning house any day over a woodland fire.

On the note of smoke damage, I can personally attest. Even if your house doesn't burn, the smoke particles from the burning around will get into everything. It is IMPOSSIBLE to have a house that is airtight. The amount of mold problems alone would kill a person. My ex husband's neighbor's house caught fire and burned to the ground a number of years ago due to a lightening strike. You can still smell the remnants of the smoke that came in through the airconditioning system in the upper part of his house. I actually asked the former homeowner when we bought the house if there had been a fire in the attic. That's when he told me about the neighbor's house. You can never get that smell out completely.
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Well then you'd probably want a house that seals up enough that no outside air can get in. If you can do that it would probably be ok. Me, I'd just rather purchase good homeowners insurance.
I eliminated this problem by not buying a house in California.
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I posted in the natural disaster thread, but the house I'm finishing was burned over in 2015 and you can't even tell aside from the paint got messed up in one spot at ground level. The fuel was pretty flashy where this occurred, but several neighbors homes burned to the ground. I've since don't quite a bit of dirt work and rocking around the perimeter of the home. It's a steel building with metal roof.
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This pic was taken at Westlake Village during the Woolsey Fire on the 9th ! Wow - talk about Big Brass Balls - this pilot sure has them !
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Bottom line, California’s populace built cities up and down the San Andrés fault.

Half of San Francisco was built on a garbage dump over the bay.

Los Angeles was built in a desert.

I do not feel for these people.
Yeah, this did not come out right.

Of course I have great empathy for those private citizens that disasters effect.

But, no on should be surprised when these things happen.

And I do not feel for those that put profits ahead of safety.
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The fire gets into your home through the windows(as in heat through the glass) and vents....You'd be better off building a huge parking lot and having your concrete house in the middle of that.
Windows/all doors covered by metal shutters. We already discussed all vents being plugged up. I'm good having a couple hundred years of nothing around the house, I call that cleared fields of fire.
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Smoke and porous items.

The smoke smell never goes away. No, really it doesn’t.

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