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Old 15 December 2017, 19:18
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England in the 1500ís?
Tony Poe in Laos?
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Old 15 December 2017, 19:33
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Not to be a nitpick, but it's a very poorly written document for something created by the government. Multiple grammar and spelling errors on the first page. TRADOC doesn't have proof writers?

"believe" when it should read "belief"
"replaces" when it should read "replaced"
"reinforce" when they mean "reinforced"
etc, etc, etc...
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Old 16 December 2017, 09:37
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Looks like some crossfagger wrote this.
I can see this being pencil whipped in NG units if implemented.
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Old 16 December 2017, 09:41
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Looks like some crossfagger wrote this.
I can see this being pencil whipped in NG units if implemented.
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Old 16 December 2017, 10:00
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Very interesting. So this will replace the APFT?
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Old 16 December 2017, 10:05
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Looks like a lot of CrossFit influence. Can't see it being implimented. Like others posted throw in chin-ups and call it a day.

The NG unit I was with everyone passed the APFT. Even dudes who were UA from drill. Disappointed me as I put forth maximum effort into it.
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Old 16 December 2017, 11:16
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The movements involved in this new PT test are good improvements. When has anybody done a sit up in combat? Heaving .50 cal ammo to a Humvee roof or picking up an injured 200lb+ Marine and helping to move him ~50m, I've done both.
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So take the standard Army PT test and just add a 50 m 200 pound dummy drag and replace both sit ups and push-ups with chin ups. Problem solved and test complete.
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Old 16 December 2017, 11:37
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The movements involved in this new PT test are good improvements. When has anybody done a sit up in combat? Heaving .50 cal ammo to a Humvee roof or picking up an injured 200lb+ Marine and helping to move him ~50m, I've done both.
Bit of a side bar....buddy of mine is 18Z. He and his team were in contact and he at the time was an senior 18B. He was dismounted but heaving 40mm cans and .50 cal cans up to gunners on Hummers and he didnít get a scratch. After the contact his shoulders were sore. Few days/weeks later he gets checked out and has torn rotators in both shoulders... ended up getting surgery after his deployment. Never think about that type of injury during gun fight.
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The leg tuck is a great exercise too. Same movements will get you up a rope or over a wall, something that I never saw regular army train on after basic. Some kind of dummy carry is essential.
I never went to sick call for my shoulder but as a PV2-PFC standing gate guard with armor holding the old M16A2, my right supraspinatus muscle is basically a knot. I had to learn about upper body muscle balance on my own. Any focus on the shoulders and back is a good idea IMHO.
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Old 16 December 2017, 13:15
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Not to be a nitpick, but it's a very poorly written document for something created by the government. Multiple grammar and spelling errors on the first page. TRADOC doesn't have proof writers?

"believe" when it should read "belief"
"replaces" when it should read "replaced"
"reinforce" when they mean "reinforced"
etc, etc, etc...
Norwich graduates....sigh....so picky..
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Looks like a lot of CrossFit influence. Can't see it being implimented. Like others posted throw in chin-ups and call it a day.

The NG unit I was with everyone passed the APFT. Even dudes who were UA from drill. Disappointed me as I put forth maximum effort into it.
Whos fault is that? Leadership.
Not all NG units are like that. I have seen some AD units doing the same thing. Goes both way.
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I recall some NCOs using the APFT to mess with soldiers they had friction with, mainly discounting perfectly good pushups and situps.

What might be called malevolent pencil whipping.
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What, no more grenade throw?
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Whos fault is that? Leadership.
Not all NG units are like that. I have seen some AD units doing the same thing. Goes both way.
I agree, at the time I was in. My state had the fuck big green attitude.
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Seems like a great indicator of actual combat fitness
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I agree, at the time I was in. My state had the fuck big green attitude.
I wish mine had that attitude.
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