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Old 14 December 2017, 18:40
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Why would anyone come up with an APFT that you cannot do without specialized equipment? Idiots.

How is body armor not part of it? They are talking about "combat" readiness, right? Wall-scaling, yep. Foot marches, yep. Sprints, yep. Buddy carries, yep. Lifting an M2 or Mk19 up to the top of a vehicle, all the time. Find stuff that we all do in combat and then use that as the basis...
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Old 14 December 2017, 18:43
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They are talking about "combat" readiness, right?
Crazy talk.
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Old 14 December 2017, 18:59
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Why would anyone come up with an APFT that you cannot do without specialized equipment? Idiots.

How is body armor not part of it? They are talking about "combat" readiness, right? Wall-scaling, yep. Foot marches, yep. Sprints, yep. Buddy carries, yep. Lifting an M2 or Mk19 up to the top of a vehicle, all the time. Find stuff that we all do in combat and then use that as the basis...
But it is not cross fit!
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Old 14 December 2017, 19:01
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New uniforms, new handgun, new PT test, and women into combat roles and LGBT integration - that is what makes a Army combat ready!
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Old 14 December 2017, 20:52
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Costs COULD be controlled, simply by keeping it all in-house.

Drag two links of track from a Bradley tied to a sling rope, 25m down and back.

Everybody's already got chin-up bars. If they don't, the Engineers have 12Bravos or whatever that can come around and put up some 4x4 PT lumber and 2" steel pipe to make them.

Instead of paying Everlust or whomever a zillion bucks for medicine balls, replace them with a 10-pound sandbag. Supply has them by the pallet.

On the Trap Bar Deadlift DA has painted itself into a corner... and will have to come up with the required plates for each weight, bars, and quick-release clamps. That one's gonna cost. This one will also be the major bottleneck in getting a unit tested. Will take literally forever.
Most Army posts have several gyms that the plates for the deadlift can be borrowed from- however, based on the weight alone, the maximum # of people tested at one time will be low- and shut down the gym for PT that day.

The same weights can be used on a sled with a post to place the weight flat on the sled.

Everyone has pull ups bars but they will have to be widened for the leg tuck- we tried it on a standard set of bars 12-13 years ago- no bueno.

Kettle bells or dumbbells- no difference in my mind. Each gym has several sets. Sandbags wont work because they leak sand and do not have 'handles'.

I can see the push up now on a wet day. "Get set- begin"- Squish, splat, squish, splat

42 feet for the medicine ball over the head throw? Isnt that like half court in basketball??

ETA: Found it- I am correct on the half court distance... http://www.courtdimensions.net/basketball-court/
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Old 14 December 2017, 21:36
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I'll just stick with my usual comment in these types of threads.

"It's a good time to be retired."
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Old 14 December 2017, 23:50
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Too expensive and time consuming.

Keep what we got, add a 6 mile ruck with 55lbs plus water. 15 minute mile average to pass. Do the ruck twice a year seprate from the APFT.
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Old 15 December 2017, 00:48
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Bars, Inverted Crawl, Sit-ups, Run-Dodge-and-Jump, Two Mile Run.
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Old 15 December 2017, 09:46
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That medicine ball tho LOL.
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Old 15 December 2017, 09:47
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Bars, Inverted Crawl, Sit-ups, Run-Dodge-and-Jump, Two Mile Run.
Sounds familiar somehow.....
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Bars, Inverted Crawl, Sit-ups, Run-Dodge-and-Jump, Two Mile Run.
I remember that....
A very long time ago.
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Old 15 December 2017, 10:14
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Originally the scoring was Pass/Fail with the points scale being used only for "motivational" guidance.

Test is designed so it is almost impossible to max.
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Old 15 December 2017, 11:17
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I have a recommendation some of you FOGs might remember. How about you pass your APFT if you survive 3 matches of American Ball. Now all those who end up with broken arms and legs are permitted to retry after coming off their 6-month profile.
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Old 15 December 2017, 11:40
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Marines have PFT and CFT. Is the Army APFT just it or do you all have 2 sets of exercise qualifications?
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Old 15 December 2017, 11:42
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So this test highlights the problem with all basic military PT tests; Dudes are training to the tested metrics and not using it as a basic assessment of their physical training program which is based on perceived or actual combat duties.
This test is basically saying the mandated Army PRT program is a failure.

OPAT is better but, the Army needs a dictated standard across the board for reporting and schools.

No easy answer.
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Old 15 December 2017, 13:11
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They should change the medicine ball to 30lbs. and a max of 20ft.
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Old 15 December 2017, 13:49
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I'll just stick with my usual comment in these types of threads.

"It's a good time to be retired."
+1

It's nice that my morning workouts are just "whatever I want to do".
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Old 15 December 2017, 18:13
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That medicine ball tho LOL.
Really, when was the last time anybody was required to heave a medicine ball in the field.
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Old 15 December 2017, 18:14
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Really, when was the last time anybody was required to heave a medicine ball in the field.
England in the 1500ís?
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Old 15 December 2017, 19:17
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I have a recommendation some of you FOGs might remember. How about you pass your APFT if you survive 3 matches of American Ball. Now all those who end up with broken arms and legs are permitted to retry after coming off their 6-month profile.
I still have nightmares to this day about American ball.

I remember they had to ban it in 2nd bat for awhile due to the number of non deployable profiles it created!
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