PJ Age Limitations

[EOMFD]

Looking for some guidance... Was AF EOD seperated in 2008 with 6 yrs, will be 35 years old and was wondering what the age limit is for prior service looking into the PJ and CRO career field.

Thanks

[SATCOM]

The following was in effect in 2012, so check with a recruiter for updates:

Age: Must join Air Force before 28th birthday. If person has any military time, it is subtracted from his actual age, if result is less than 28 he can still join. For example, person is 31, but had 4-years active duty. Subtract 4 from 31 = 27.

[EOMFD]

Rog, thanks for ruining my Christmas. Much appreciated!!

[bugeater]

SATCOM is correct EOMFD, you should have checked w/ a recruiter (or google)...

Per airforce.com:
"What is the cut-off age to join the Air Force?
Non-prior service applicants must be at least 17 to apply and in Basic Military Training before their 40th birthday.

Officer Training School (OTS) applicants must be at least 17 to apply and commissioned before their 35th birthday.

Physician, Nurse and Allied Health applicants need to contact a recruiter, as the age criteria may vary by profession.

Note: Prior service applicants should contact their local recruiter for age cut-offs.

For more information on this subject, you can chat with one of our online advisers or click here to contact us and get in touch with your local recruiter."

So you're good by non-prior service standards, but prior-service may be different.

[PJ1]

Go guard

[KJ]

As said above. The AF has changed the age limits recently. It has gone from 27 to 39.

http://www.stripes.com/news/air-forc...to-39-1.290578

[EOMFD]

Thank you to all for your reply... need to talk to recruiter again. Spoke with the guard recruiter last wk about an intel spot b/c I thought I was too old for PJ.

PJ1, do you know how the guard works with pipeline students? Not sure how a 2 year school would work with the guard?

Thanks

[SATCOM]

Originally Posted by EOMFD

Not sure how a 2 year school would work with the guard?

Air National Guard PJ/CCT requirements and standards are the same as AD. Once you successfully pass the PAST in the Guard, they will work on getting you a start date. Typically, from the moment you leave to go to selection, till the day you graduate about two years later, you are on active duty orders (Title 32). Is that what you're looking for?

[EOMFD]

Yes it was, thanks.

[KJ]

SATCOM - The ANG PAST standards are higher (at least at Patrick). Were they the same for your guys in KY?

[SATCOM]

KJ: Yes they used to be stricter, but those PAST standards changed all the time. On the new test there are standards for PJ/CCT/TACP/SOWT, with different measures for all those AFSCs. Should all be just ONE standard in my opinion.....

[IronCross]

Originally Posted by SATCOM

KJ: Yes they used to be stricter, but those PAST standards changed all the time. On the new test there are standards for PJ/CCT/TACP/SOWT, with different measures for all those AFSCs. Should all be just ONE standard in my opinion.....

ST teams anyone..?

[SATCOM]

Originally Posted by IronCross

ST teams anyone..?

USAF Special Tactics Squadrons (STS) has PJs, CCTs, TACPs, and SOWT AFSCs at various units. Not all STS units will have ALL those AFSCs under one roof. Seeing as each AFSC has different entrance PAST criteria, there are different standards (Battlefield Airmen) depicted on the current PAST performance sheet. In fact, there are standards for PJ/CCT/TACP/SOWT/SERE/EOD all on one handy evaluation document.

*Currently these are the only BA AFSCs in the USAF:

The BA initiative encompasses the following specific Air Force Specialty Codes (AFSC); Combat Rescue Officers (CRO, 13DXA), Special Tactics Officers (STO, 13DXB), Pararescue Airmen (PJ, 1T2X1), Combat Control Airmen (CCT, 1C2X1), Tactical Air Control Personnel (TACP/ASOC, 1C4X1), Special Operations Weather Team (SOWT) Airmen (1W0X1)/Officers (15WX) and Battlefield Weather Airmen (1W0X1)/Officers (15WX). Collectively, BA assist and enable the following mission areas:

2.1. Battlefield Airmen Mission Areas: 2.1.1. Joint Fires Integration
2.1.2. Tactical Airlift Operations 2.1.3. Special Operations
2.1.4. Weather Support Operations
2.1.5. Personnel Recovery/Recovery Operations

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AFPD10-35

2.2. More specifically, BA provide or enable the following specialized capabilities: 2.2.1. Reconnaissance and Surveillance
2.2.2. Weather Operations
2.2.3. Airfield Surveys and Assessments
2.2.4. Effects Assessment
2.2.5. Navigation and Positioning
2.2.6. Command and Control (C2) Battle Management
2.2.7. Air Traffic Control and Assault Zone Marking
2.2.8. Terminal Attack Control
2.2.9. Time-Sensitive Weaponeering/Targeting
2.2.10. Personnel Recovery (Combat Search and Rescue and Isolated Personnel Repatriation) 2.2.11. Field Trauma Care
2.2.12. Information Operations
2.2.13. Operational Preparation of the Battlespace

[johca]

Originally Posted by SATCOM

KJ: Yes they used to be stricter, but those PAST standards changed all the time. On the new test there are standards for PJ/CCT/TACP/SOWT, with different measures for all those AFSCs. Should all be just ONE standard in my opinion.....

There is one standard for each AFSC pertinent to regular (active duty) and reserve components. The screening for the Reserve Component, particularly Air National Guard, differs from the Regular Air Force in that the specific reserve component unit is budgeting for the man days and other costs (no where close to all, but significant) to get the individual all the way through the about two years of training.

The Reserve Component unit also pays a higher delay cost in getting a replacement in training for the individual who SIEed from training or who was failed to train eliminated from training. Thus they run significant pre-screening programs looking for a higher certainty the applicant exceeds minimum standards.

Also the Air Force Reserves by design and intent by US Congress is expected to pick up folks leaving active duty after first enlistment.

The context being is the difference is not different minimum standards but rather a stronger annual unit operating and training budget motivation to make sure those put into training will not only complete training, but be available for obtaining 5-level upgrade and mission qualification training once all the 3-level formal school apprentice training is completed.

Further the PJ-CCT-SOW PAST minimums difference recently came about because the AFSCs utilization differs. CCT/SOW does not have the open water utilization pararescue has and as CCT and SOW exist no matter how it's sliced and diced to support Joint Action operations of Army and Air Force. The primary joint action war fighting purpose limits the global potential for CCT and SOW to be there to be much less than it is for pararescue which has a peacetime and crisis response obligation a bit more extensive than CCT and SOW has. Certainly significantly more than TACP, SERE and EOD has.