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Old 24 December 2014, 14:11
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AK and AR Pistols, thoughts and opinions?

I really hate listening to civilians tell me how good any weapon is. These AK and AR pistols seem to be the big thing right now, but I'd like to get opinions from the forum. Especially anyone with a good deal of experience using them.

I fired about 10 rounds through an AK47 pistol. First thought, "what a large unmanageable, inaccurate...THING." It was heavy. I hit my target, but I've been shooting since I was 8, first fully automatic at 12. I can't see this being a reasonable weapon for most people and think it may just be because everyone has heard of AK47 and AR15. Kind of like people with no experience buying a Glock because it's the only name they've heard in the movies (not to say all you Glock lovers are wrong, I'm just a H&K guy).

What do all the experts out there think?
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Old 24 December 2014, 14:14
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Junk. Just a gimmick. You want a handgun, get a handgun. You want an AR or AK, get the full size rifle.
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Old 24 December 2014, 14:27
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Junk. Just a gimmick. You want a handgun, get a handgun. You want an AR or AK, get the full size rifle.
What LP said. Why anyone would want to be "kind of pregnant" is beyond me. Unless you have money to spend on such tripe. There is no Swiss Army Gun.
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Old 26 December 2014, 09:19
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Wait a minute...did SOTB just admit the AK sucks?
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:17
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Junk. Just a gimmick. You want a handgun, get a handgun. You want an AR or AK, get the full size rifle.
I guess it depends on which type of AR "pistol" you are talking about - a six inch barrel bufferless fire-breather, or something more akin to an sbr.

In regards to the former, I would agree. But with the Sig brace, which can be used as a stock, for now at least, you can have an AR, with a 10 or 11 inch barrel, that you can shoulder and maintain a decent cheek weld on. I shot one the other day with the sig brace and an 11 inch barrel and was ringing steel at 200 yards pretty easily. You're not going to do that with a handgun unless you're Jerry Miculek. And even then you are aiming several feet over the target.

Also, in many states, such as mine, you can't have a loaded rifle in your car, even if you have a CCW, but you can have a loaded AR "pistol" with a CCW. Oh, and you can cross state lines without asking the ATF for permission.

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Old 24 December 2014, 15:19
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I agree with the guys who think such guns are toys/junks/etc....
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:26
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[QUOTE=Fool_For_A_Client;1058444765]I guess it depends on which type of AR "pistol" you are talking about - a six inch barrel bufferless fire-breather, or something more akin to an sbr./QUOTE]

I have a 6 1/2" .454 Casull for that. I have to admit, with 5 rounds in it it probably does come close to the weight of that AK I fired with a few rounds.
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Old 29 December 2014, 15:41
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Junk. Just a gimmick. You want a handgun, get a handgun. You want an AR or AK, get the full size rifle.

That's how I see it as well. I don't see the appeal. Of course if it's a purchase for fun at the range why not?
My preference would be to go for a Tavor or AUG. Overall length is about the same, handy and a 16" barrel.
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Old 30 December 2014, 11:23
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What's the gimmick? 55gn soft points come out the front at somewhere in the ball park of 2300 fps. I can shoot 5" group at 200 yds. It is short, small, and handy and is easily slung over my back or carried. It's not a rifle.. sure and I don't pay rifle length penalties in terms of portability or handiness. But I can shoot a lot faster and easier with it than I can with a handgun. And I'm not too shabby with a handgun.

All my AR stuff and ergonomics carry over... because it's an AR. I would definitely still own a rifle and it is not a replacement for one. But I like the hell out of it.

Classic though, it seems as though people who have experience with them, like them.. and those that don't... don't.
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Old 30 December 2014, 15:36
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What's the gimmick? 55gn soft points come out the front at somewhere in the ball park of 2300 fps. I can shoot 5" group at 200 yds. It is short, small, and handy and is easily slung over my back or carried. It's not a rifle.. sure and I don't pay rifle length penalties in terms of portability or handiness. But I can shoot a lot faster and easier with it than I can with a handgun. And I'm not too shabby with a handgun.

All my AR stuff and ergonomics carry over... because it's an AR. I would definitely still own a rifle and it is not a replacement for one. But I like the hell out of it.

Classic though, it seems as though people who have experience with them, like them.. and those that don't... don't.
..And I like the hell out of this post..could not have said it any better..

PLUS...plus..

..you dont rake your muzzle on the ground when kneeling and transistion to sidearm, if AR is slung in the common front of torso.

"And if you do?..and if you do?.. and if you do?" (Good Morning Vietnam ref.)
..its annoying.
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Classic though, it seems as though people who have experience with them, like them.. and those that don't... don't.
I'll give you that. This seems to be the case in a lot of gun reviews, opinions, drama whatever. I see a lot of folks denigrating the 45 GAP that never owned or fired one. My issue is more over the legal aspects than the functional aspects. That said, you still raise a good point.
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Old 1 January 2015, 12:19
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[QUOTE=The Fat Guy;1058445920]...I see a lot of folks denigrating the 45 GAP that never owned or fired one. My issue is more over the legal aspects than the functional aspects...QUOTE]

Well... the .45 GAP is a whole other story... (for clarity... I'm kidding.)

I had read all the letters before building mine. It was one reason I went with the buffer extension that I used instead of just using a 6 pos collapsible buffer tube, which is also legal as far as I can tell. With the end cap cushions and the foam rubber cover it works far better than expected.
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Old 24 December 2014, 14:40
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The AR pistol is the poor man's/or no paperwork version of an SBR (short barrel rifle). I built a 10.5" pistol and love it. Hits at 100 yds are simple and I have a total package almost a foot shorter than my 16" rifle (with the stock fully collapsed). The AK pistol is a little different due to the operating system and that the grip is basically the end of the weapon.

At any rate, like a Thompson Center Encore there are some advantages along with disadvantages. Rifle power (albeit reduced), with better portability (size and weight), but increased blast, noise and less stability.
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:08
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An AR pistol makes sense now, if you use the Sig SB15 brace to cheat the system. That assumes you use a good barrel length like a 10.3"-12.5" that works.

Functionally an AR pistol and SBR are the same. The difference is the stock.

An AK pistol is good as a basis for building an SBR by having someone add a side folder to it, and it can be done cheap. I could recommend the AK pistol for much more than that unless there was a zombie apocalypse and it was a back up.
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:23
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I could recommend the AK pistol for much more than that unless there was a zombie apocalypse and it was a back up.
I do like that you can get 1000 rounds of Russian ammo for a relatively low price even now. That's not to say each one of them will actually fire.
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:23
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Shot a couple, not a fan. Kind of like having a TC with a 14 inch barrel, why not just use a rifle?
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:31
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Shot a couple, not a fan. Kind of like having a TC with a 14 inch barrel, why not just use a rifle?
My dad actually hunts deer, elk, and boar with his TC.
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Old 24 December 2014, 15:42
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I dont use the Sig brace but use the pistol buffer tube covered in foam with some neoprene donuts they sell. It'll still shoulder and with a little practice is pretty useable. I didnt believe either until a buddy offered to let me shoot his through a rifle match. After that I immediately started collecting parts and put it together.
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Old 24 December 2014, 16:06
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After that I immediately started collecting parts and put it together.
Thanks for the input Nimja. What kind did you build? What did you start with?
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Old 24 December 2014, 16:56
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IraqGunz is the smart guy to recommend parts and pieces. I built a stripped lower (Stag) that had never been assembled as a rifle (legally important - in my case it had never been assembled as anything) with a Rock River Arms (RRA) pistol tube and an Exile Machine foam cover and donuts. The rest is odds and ends I had laying around.

What you need is a good quality upper. I went with a 10.5" barrel as it is a good balance between size/handling and velocity (although there is a trend for 11.5"+). Mine was a Sabre Defence that I dremel'ed down the gas block/front sight to fit a Troy VTAC free float tube. As per IG's guidance it did require an H3 buffer.

The muzzle device is of some argue as some guys want to direct the significant blast away from the shooter. The Noveske KX3 does this (heavy though.. about a 1/2 pound) as well as some other devices but mine came with an (unusual) flash hider that does an excellent job of flash reduction with the 10.5" barrel. The blast and noise isn't terrible. (And with all things there is a compromise, as the KX3 was nice!... but heavy!)

It weighs 7.5 lbs as in the picture with a full mag. MP5 sized, but shoots rifle bullets... It's handy.

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/ar...n24ibq6s4jdc22

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