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Old 8 March 2015, 20:28
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Sorry but I don't know that Bush was cropped out.
Bush was in other photos... but was he cropped out of that photo?
I don't know.

either way, Bush isn't President.
Clinton showed up at plenty of worthy events that President Bush attended.
If Clinton wasn't in a photo, I wouldn't assume it was deliberate cropping.
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Old 8 March 2015, 22:58
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Your analysis seems reasonable, but given the body of NY TIMES work, I don't agree. You see it as minutiae and insignificant, but I see it as deceitful. But you are right, given we can't tell where the former President and FLOTUS were in the picture, hard to determine "intent".

I must admit I don't remember anyone accusing the right wing media "crazies" of ever cropping out Clinton. Why the analogy?

I agree, the point is rather petty. But it frosted my already pissed off mood on Holder and Lynch's comments on the Voting Rights Act, which IMO is major.

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Old 9 March 2015, 00:21
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I'd sooner extend the benefit of the doubt to Satan. The NYT has consistently manipulated any and everything to favor their centralized authoritarian agenda, why would this be any different?

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Old 9 March 2015, 07:59
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either way, Bush isn't President.
Clinton showed up at plenty of worthy events that President Bush attended.
If Clinton wasn't in a photo, I wouldn't assume it was deliberate cropping.
Just because a different POTUS comes around every 4 to 8 years does NOT mean that factual history can/will be amended to suit political or ideological leanings. Last time I was in the WH there was a huge painting of Hillary (there are paintings of all the FLs and POTUSs). Should each and every FL/POTUS remove those paintings that they don't like? Poof, instantly we have the amended 200 years of American history?

The Left/Dems/Socialists/Progressives in Amerika can't fathom a country where Freedom prevails. They have been caught numerous times trying to obfuscate or destroy historical documents/texts. Anyone remember Sandy "Socks" Berger? Why would a former National Security Advisor steal classified documents prior to their appearance before the 9-11 Commission?

We are seeing Hillary now attempting to obfuscate her involvement in Benghazi by what means? That's right, hiding her emails via conducting official government business on private email servers. It appears that AG Holder had done the same thing.

The EPA and Left/Dems/Socialists/Progressives have been caught lying/fudging/manipulating Climate Change data to suit there "control" fetish over the world. Here's a great recent example of that:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015...-record-again/

GREEN SCIENTISTS CAUGHT TAMPERING WITH THE HISTORICAL RECORD. AGAIN

If the media (conveniently using the 1st Amendment as cover) would do their damn job, citizens would be aware of these pitiful incidents and more importantly: shame the fuck out of them. Instead the lamestream media SUPPORTS their actions. They collude and attempt to mold public opinion to believe that a POTUS being Un-Constitutional is just awesome. Here's the latest group of Liberal fucks in the media outed:

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/secr...ressive-agenda
Secret Discussion Group Of Media and Activists Planning Progressive Agenda

It's like Journo-List on Steroids
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Old 9 March 2015, 16:43
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I'd sooner extend the benefit of the doubt to Satan. S/F....Ken M
That is humorous and I am stealing it.

In all seriousness, I know how to teach history to make it more engaging and memorable, but facts should not be subject to interpretation. Cause/effect perhaps, but not substantive facts. Omission of certain facts, in the course of "historic and natural events", IMO should be construed as intentionally deceitful. In this case, omission of a Republican elected official(s) participation in a celebration commemorating the passage of voting rights to blacks, is [intentionally] "segregating". How ironic. Ultimately, the psychological and societal "comment" is that Republicans and conservatives don't care. BULL.
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Old 9 March 2015, 17:03
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In this case, omission of a Republican elected official(s) participation in a celebration commemorating the passage of voting rights to blacks, is [intentionally] "segregating". How ironic. Ultimately, the psychological and societal "comment" is that Republicans and conservatives don't care. BULL.
I've asked over 100 Millenials if Abraham Lincoln was a Republican or Democrat. So far 99% said Democrat.....
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Old 9 March 2015, 17:06
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Of those you have polled, how many actually knew who Abraham Lincoln was......besides being on US Currency?
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Old 9 March 2015, 17:16
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Of those you have polled, how many actually knew who Abraham Lincoln was......besides being on US Currency?
About 75% knew who Old Abe was, BUT they all knew him as the POTUS that "freed the slaves." The other 25% had to be given the info, then I'd say that he was the 16th POTUS, and also was the POTUS during the Civil War, AND the POTUS that signed the Emancipation Proclamation. The wording "Emancipation Proclamation" really stumped them. Then I'd assist them and say, "He was the President that freed the slaves in America", only then would I ask if they thought he was a Dem/Rep.

Idiocracy is alive and well with America's youth........
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Old 9 March 2015, 18:11
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About 75% knew who Old Abe was, BUT they all knew him as the POTUS that "freed the slaves." The other 25% had to be given the info, then I'd say that he was the 16th POTUS, and also was the POTUS during the Civil War, AND the POTUS that signed the Emancipation Proclamation. The wording "Emancipation Proclamation" really stumped them. Then I'd assist them and say, "He was the President that freed the slaves in America", only then would I ask if they thought he was a Dem/Rep.

Idiocracy is alive and well with America's youth........
It very much is man. I am sure we have all seen a few of these videos before. This one is asking people to support ISIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oDdmSeAZeI
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Old 9 March 2015, 21:04
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/...stian-beliefs/


See, there is no progressive agenda, "gays just want to be able to serve. It will not affect Chaplains who hold to their denominational beliefs."
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Old 9 March 2015, 23:25
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"gays just want to be able to serve. It will not affect Chaplains who hold to their denominational beliefs."
I liked what the Chaplain had to say about culture clashing with the truth. The modern military (like its civilian populace) will succumb to the regime's indoctrination. Dumb down the troops. Replace all strong leaders with weak Party Apparatchiks. They do not want independent thinkers who espouse morals/values/ethics. The military wants mindless robotons, just like the regime's civilian sector wants Socialist workers and voters. They want mindless, addicted-to-welfare consumers. They do not want people questioning their methods. They want believers. Believers in Hope and Change......
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Old 10 March 2015, 00:14
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Dummy down everything...this has been the path of our educational system, both public and private. More emphasis is placed on "scores" of the students which directly affects the pay raises of our teachers.
Ever wonder how many kids can tell the time on a clock or watch with "hands" and not a digital? Or about how to count change back....without the assistance of an electronic device?
Damn sad state.....
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Old 10 March 2015, 06:16
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I've asked over 100 Millenials if Abraham Lincoln was a Republican or Democrat. So far 99% said Democrat.....
This reality is so head-shaking discouraging. The culture of belief that Republicans, Libertarians, and Conservatives hate or "think inferior" of minorities has been a successful psych ops campaign. It is a well known fact that Romney won 3 of the 4 indicators for winning the Presidency - intelligence, business know-how, leadership - but lost THE one society thinks is critical by a margin of 83% to 17%. What was it? The kumbayaish CARING. Emotional & psychological manipulation is a science being used in media, schools, work (personality profiles testing) - we have by and large accepted it as a necessary and beneficial measurement of society or workplace activity.

Someone(s) asked me the other day, all over FB, if I was celebrating "International Women's Day". I told them I was not a member of the Globalist Party AND I would celebrate it only after the commissioning of "National Glad I Am Not A Liberal Day" and "National Comemierda Free Day". Apparently, I am a non-caring hater. I gladly admit they are partially right, I don't care and will not knowingly be a participant in someone's agendizing bullcaca.

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Old 10 March 2015, 09:57
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^^^"National Comemierda Free Day" is an awesome idea!

Reminded me of a scene in The Help. LMAO!
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Old 10 March 2015, 12:05
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See, there is no progressive agenda, "gays just want to be able to serve. It will not affect Chaplains who hold to their denominational beliefs."
Sorry, but that article is a hack job.
The alleged journalist who wrote it, as well as the attorney from the Liberty Institute, both had access to all the complaints against the chaplain.

From the article:
"The Navy did not return my calls seeking comment so all we can do is rely on their written accusations and evidence."

Yet the article omits any of the written accusations and evidence.
All that it does is quote the chaplain and the lawyer complaining that Christians are being picked on unfairly.

The writer of this article had access to the accusations against the chaplain.
I would have liked to have known what the accusations against the chaplain were before forming an opinion... but clearly that was not the writer of this article wanted readers to do.

Edirtorialist Todd Starnes has a long history of writing opinion pieces about his perceived assault on Christianity at every turn.

The Liberty Institute has as much to do with liberty as the Patriot Act has to do with patriotism.
They are an anti-separation organization that believes in pushing Christianity into the public square.
They also claim to support promoting Judaism, but they are definitely anti-Muslim because their alleged fight for religious freedom doesn't extend to that religion.

Taken verbatim from their summary of their 2013 report on hostility to religion.... (the typos are theirs, not mine):
"One of the biggest threats to religious liberty in America is the Barack Hussein Obama, his officials, and their anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, pro-homosexual, pro-Islam, and pro-abortion political agendas."
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Old 10 March 2015, 12:31
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I've asked over 100 Millenials if Abraham Lincoln was a Republican or Democrat. So far 99% said Democrat.....
How many would have known that during Lincoln's time Republicans were big Government and Democrats were small Govt? That Republicans were for civil rights and Democrats against?

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sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power.
http://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html
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Taken verbatim from their summary of their 2013 report on hostility to religion.... (the typos are theirs, not mine):
"One of the biggest threats to religious liberty in America is the Barack Hussein Obama, his officials, and their anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, pro-homosexual, pro-Islam, and pro-abortion political agendas."
And?
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Old 10 March 2015, 12:54
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And?
and they are a biased politically motivated Christian organization that is not truly concerned about religious freedom
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and they are a biased politically motivated Christian organization that is not truly concerned about religious freedom
Whether or not this is the case (which it is not), that is not what this particular incident is about, if you read more on the background. It is about a Chaplain in the US Navy, being told he cannot teach/preach what his beliefs are, as he has been doing previously for 19 years. Which we were promised/told that the end to "DADT" would not infringe upon.

It is about a "Witch Hunt", so to speak, to root out anyone who speaks out against anything that goes against policy, or against anyone that has a certain belief system that goes against the current politically correct atmosphere this administration is fostering in the military. Common tactic of anyone who takes offense and then wants to silence the other's viewpoint in the name of "tolerance".
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and they are a biased politically motivated Christian organization that is not truly concerned about religious freedom
Ad hominem.

When the message is true, the messenger is irrelevant.
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