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Old 12 April 2018, 09:53
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Wouldn't break my heart to see Fakebook get EMP'd.
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Old 12 April 2018, 12:17
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That's why this is an important discussion to have in front of congress.

The people writing the algorithms (90% extremely liberal anti Constitutional point of view) exert undue influence in the public domain with zero transparency.

If they want to do that, fine, let the baker bake or not bake the cake for whoever they want.

But that is not what is happening. So fighting to expose hidden manipulation and mischaracterization of folks in massive list building efforts is why this is an important discussion.
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Old 12 April 2018, 13:19
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Here's my problem with the whole story. Remember this story?

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ced-to-prison/

The entire deal was tossed out, but not before the damage was done. A friend of mine was embroiled in this, and it cost him his entire MG collection, hundreds of thousands of dollars, a marriage, etc..

With all the corruption we have seen at all levels, I just don't believe much of anything anymore.
I hear ya. Due process is essential, and I would rather criminals go free sometimes than innocents be jailed lots of times. Those indicted are innocent until proven guilty. That said, the indictment excerpts I read quoted from internal Backpage emails and looked bad. But we'll believe it all when we see it all.
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Old 12 April 2018, 13:44
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19Mike

DingDingDing

That's why this is an important discussion to have in front of congress.

The people writing the algorithms (90% extremely liberal anti Constitutional point of view) exert undue influence in the public domain with zero transparency.

If they want to do that, fine, let the baker bake or not bake the cake for whoever they want.

But that is not what is happening. So fighting to expose hidden manipulation and mischaracterization of folks in massive list building efforts is why this is an important discussion.

Why do you think Congress will fight? Zuck knows all about their chats with underage girls, mistresses, gay boy escapades, etc, and really now

do they want Zuck to bring up his cooperation with our domestic spying program?

That's what I thought.
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Old 12 April 2018, 13:48
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Watching the "Congressional outrage" has been fairly entertaining.

I like the faux anger being displayed by our illustrious elected masters!
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Old 12 April 2018, 14:03
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Oh, and it's not just me that believes it.
And? Half the companies occupying a building on University Ave outside Stanford have IQT backing - including MongoDB which powers a significant chunk of internet websites.

Just because IQT writes you a check doesn't mean your company servers are automatically wired up to some secret squirrel AWS enclave in Northern Virginia, just like using tech from a SOFWERX partner doesn't mean there's suddenly a Little Bird with rotors spinning somewhere just waiting to blast your ass at 0300.
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Old 12 April 2018, 14:13
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Poison,

I don't think Congress will fight, my first post on this was just a wish list of what I wish they would ask.

They wont fight because 1) they don't understand the technology 2) they are largely from a generation that is 2-4 behind the current one driving the tech 3) because of those two points they have no idea how to even think about controlling it 4) they have a bunch of dirt in the system that could be maliciously leaked at will

I have secret hopes that the large departure of Republicans opens up the door for an infusion of younger more tech savvy and generationally appropriate legislators to start dragging the government through its own digital transformation, but that would likely be a bridge too far for the monied establishment.

Things need to start getting broke, so they can be rebuilt, and by that I mean existing power dynamics and infrastructures built out over decades of influence peddling.

The point about having the discussion in front of Congress is that it gets at least something in the public record, vs nothing.
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Old 12 April 2018, 14:27
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they don't understand the technology

Not understanding something rarely prevents them from passing laws about it. I think in this case though, with technology, their lack of understanding could lead to some significantly bad 2nd and 3rd order effects.
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Old 12 April 2018, 14:42
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And? Half the companies occupying a building on University Ave outside Stanford have IQT backing - including MongoDB which powers a significant chunk of internet websites.

Just because IQT writes you a check doesn't mean your company servers are automatically wired up to some secret squirrel AWS enclave in Northern Virginia, just like using tech from a SOFWERX partner doesn't mean there's suddenly a Little Bird with rotors spinning somewhere just waiting to blast your ass at 0300.
TBH, I think that's missing the point. The point wasn't that everything IQT touches is supposedly nefarious or spying on people. Hell, the internet itself was created off of ARPAnet.

The point is that FACEBOOK (as well as Google/Apple/Yahoo/etc etc) censors/spies on you and then uses the excuse "we're a private company!" to somehow try to appeal to the part of the public that still has this dinosaur mentality and will turn a blind eye to 'evil' behavior done on behalf of the Deep State. It's the same Catch-22 they used to sell our entire country down the river to China......and all they had to do was say the words "Free Trade" (regardless of whether it was or not) and like magic -- the same dinosaurs shut up. Even when they knew deep in their bones it was bad for our nation. It's PURE conditioning.

The crux is that FB is NOT a purely organic private company. It is, keeping with the metaphor, a corporate GMO. Funded at it's inception by govt entities (IQT) for a specific purpose (in this case to provide a platform by which they can spy on people)......which then, when it actually fulfills that purpose, also simultaneously acts as an legally-insulatory proxy agent. All in order to enable the govt to illegally spy without illegally spying.

My argument is that when a corporation, ANY corporation, spies on the people and then remits that info to the govt then that is a crime against "the people". It's even more egregious when the company was funded by taxpayer money for that specific purpose from the very beginning.
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Old 12 April 2018, 15:57
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Sharky,

Agreed. I think though that with any major technology, the laws start getting made 10-15 years after it gains acceptance.

So when they finally do get around to making laws, it is based on flawed understandings that are at least a decade behind what is necessary for logical regulation, and to your point almost sets the stage to encourage extreme 2nd and 3rd order government abuse.

IE - the Patriot Act, parallel reconstruction etc and a whole new generation of technology that was not in existence or prevalence at the time of the law being brought and the 15 odd years it has been in existence.

I mean, we are fucked, no doubt, and the institutions and bread winners inside of the orgs are the ones who are going to do the fucking.

The good ones will use the tools effectively and creatively to get the bad guys, and then the bad ones will watch how the creative articulation was used and use it in defense of the institution.

That is why I would love to see Trump level the DOJ to its component parts, and rebuild something completely new.

Because we can trust that all congress will do is make shitty political decisions that reduce our liberty, and completely abdicate any Constitutional mandate of oversight.
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Old 12 April 2018, 17:32
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I guess some folks did ask some questions. I think Cruz should have asked FB about employees with users accounts and what their algorithms said about those accounts political affiliation.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/...tive-bias.html
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Old 13 April 2018, 06:12
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Eye Wash. Slap on the wrist for Zuckerberg/FB. Too big of a spying source to hurt. Mueller was in their HQ so much during the Obama era, he probably had an office there. It's hard to find with all the current chaff, but here's one:

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/t...17wiretap.html
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Old 13 April 2018, 06:43
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Glad I don't use it.
Same here. My only social media existence is socnet and a Linkedin account I generally ignore.
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Old 13 April 2018, 06:48
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Old 13 April 2018, 08:30
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Mark Zuckerberg is like a modern day Ernst Blofeld and the government doesn't care.
Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Mini-Mr Zuckerberg and his booster seat are just being paraded out to prove that the POTUS used Russia to steal the election.
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Old 13 April 2018, 14:28
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WaPo went through his answers point by point - what a dodging little phucker he is, LOL! (I know, preaching to the choir). He basically insinuated all the data they have on anybody is in the "Download My Account" tool Yea, ok buddy. I wish one of those FAX machine owners on the panel would have asked him something along the lines of:

"So Mr. Zuckerberg, are you telling us that if the FBI came to you with a properly signed warrant for ALL information your company possesses about an account that is currently suspected of (pick one) murder/kidnapping/terrorism/child porn - that the ONLY info you could give them would be in the "Download My Accunt" tool?"
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This had me rolling....

Bad Lip Reading - Zuckerburg Hearings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCDvOsdL9Q
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Old 2 May 2018, 05:42
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This had me rolling....

Bad Lip Reading - Zuckerburg Hearings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zCDvOsdL9Q
That was funny. Unfortunately, its about as meaningful as the actual hearing.
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Bad Lip Reading - Zuckerburg Hearings

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That's some funny sh...
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