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Old 22 November 2017, 11:06
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Enzymes

Doc says to take a couple of enzyme tablets at mealtime as my pancreas is on strike and I'm missing a gall bladder. Said that what he is prescribing is a little pricey. For me, $1500 a month is more than a little pricey.

I find pretty much the same stuff at the health food store at $1480 less. Label describes same ingredients in each.

What am I missing?
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Old 22 November 2017, 12:32
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That's a great question. I have zero idea on why there is such a YUGE cost discrepancy. My only SWAG is that what you get at the health food store isn't usually 'covered' by FDA laws so there may be some QA/QC and purity issues. For the cost give it a shot. What's the worst that can happen...you are out $20?
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Old 27 November 2017, 12:56
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If what you have to take is Creon there really isn't a change up, but the good news the company will give you a discount and the VA will pick up most if not all of the $$$. I have been on this stuff for 7 years now due to cancer and the price keeps going up but it works...Good Luck
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Old 27 November 2017, 14:05
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If what you have to take is Creon there really isn't a change up, but the good news the company will give you a discount and the VA will pick up most if not all of the $$$. I have been on this stuff for 7 years now due to cancer and the price keeps going up but it works...Good Luck
Creon (made in Germany) is what my civilian side Doctor is prescribing. The VA seems to be lazy, dumbfounded or non-caring, as in "you might try tums". I'm going to try and see if I can prod the VA into agreeing with his counterpart.
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Old 27 November 2017, 14:53
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It took me about 3 months to get the VA inline with my civilian doc but they did when he sent them a personal request for assistance. My cost went from about $940.00 a week to $24.00 a week then finally to $90.00 for a 90 day supply.
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Old 27 November 2017, 15:37
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Just got back from the (civ) Doc, he said the enzymes in Creon come from a pig, while the other stuff comes from plants. Also said plant enzymes can't be digested.

My solution, eat more bacon.
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Old 27 November 2017, 16:01
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Eat some papaya. It is supposed to be enzyme rich.
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My 79 year old father in law has pancreatic cancer and has been on Creon for about 6 months now. Thank God for insurance because it is $9 per capsule and he has to take 2-3 with each meal. One more chemo session and he will be getting a CT scan to see if he is a candidate for the WHIPLE procedure to remove his pancreas. If so, he will be on Creon and insulin for the rest of his life but he will be alive.
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Old 28 November 2017, 15:39
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My father is on Creon right now after his recent pancreas issues, which was nearly fatal around this time last year. If he eats something that would normally cause your pancreas to release those enzymes (fats, etc), the pancreatitis flares up again. There is a relatively good chance his pancreas will recover enough that he can get off of it eventually, but 1/3 of his pancreas is gone now so he'll always have to be careful about how he treats himself from now on in the best case.
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This site doesn't seem to be shilling anything:

https://www.pancan.org/facing-pancre...eatic-enzymes/

I assume your doc did tests?

https://pancreas.org/patients/testin...es/functional/

I would find a high quality source of Dietary Supplement Pancreatic Enzymes, and see if they improve your condition (Life Extension Foundation is the go-to for quality, Swanson's would be my second choice - depends on cost difference). It may save you (or your insurance premiums) a lot of money.

The Protein suppliers True Nutrition and Raw Dynamix, can add Enzymes if you use Protein Powder.

Mango, Papaya, Pineapple and I think Honey, are good sources from whole foods.

Of course, if your Doc says "Take Creon now or you're going to die"... follow his advice. But very few will recco supplements when there are drugs for the same thing, IMO.

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Old 5 December 2017, 11:18
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My luck with Doctors sucks. None of the tests described were done. Ultra sound found (according to Doc) the hole where the juice comes out is too small. Doc said too many years smoking ( I quit almost 30 years ago).

I've seen no difference by taking OTC stuff and as the symptoms don't match my ailments, I'm done with enzymes till the next time the Doc and I get together.

Thanks Poly, good info.
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There is a classic medical book "The house of God" which was written tongue in cheek. However, there are many useful pieces of information that are accurate, and have come in handy over the years, one such piece of advice

"Don't fuck with the pancreas" words to live by.
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Eat some papaya. It is supposed to be enzyme rich.
Pussy is full of enzymes!
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My 79 year old father in law has pancreatic cancer and has been on Creon for about 6 months now. Thank God for insurance because it is $9 per capsule and he has to take 2-3 with each meal. One more chemo session and he will be getting a CT scan to see if he is a candidate for the WHIPLE procedure to remove his pancreas. If so, he will be on Creon and insulin for the rest of his life but he will be alive.
Wow! I didn't think you could live without the pancreas. But read an article recently about a new procedure. Must be the one you mentioned.

Advances in medical technology continue to amaze me. One day, long after I'm gone I'm sure, the ability to fix folks or diagnose potential genetic defects will be the norm.
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Old 9 March 2018, 21:51
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Does the WHIPLE remove the whole pancreas or just the Isle of Langerhan? Curious. Also, I think I remember Zen pep and Veronie were some enzymes prescribed years ago. Not sure if they still are. Creon must be the latest and greatest.
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