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Old 18 July 2017, 04:52
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Australian woman shot after dialing 911

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5b3c3f618be8


Very disturbing. Lot of chatter now as the officer who pulled the trigger, was a Somali American, named Mohamed. Lot os praise about when he was hired, "Diversity", "look the first Muslim refugee hired for our police dept, see we are so diverse and tolerant!"

Sounds like lowered standards to promote "diversity"? Now, you have a cop, on two years, who was scared, incompetent, should probably have never been hired. Lets see if the dept. and the criminal justice system rises to the occasion and does what is right.

Stories like this get my blood boiling.
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Old 18 July 2017, 07:30
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From what I've read so far, I'm thinking it was a negligent discharge. ND happen from time to time, but a fatality is pretty rare. I don't see ethnicity, or ideology, playing a role in this particular incident.

Rest in Peace Ma'am, and my condolences to the victim's family.
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Old 18 July 2017, 07:35
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From what I've read so far, I'm thinking it was a negligent discharge. ND happen from time to time, but a fatality is pretty rare. I don't see ethnicity, or ideology, playing a role in this particular incident.

Rest in Peace Ma'am, and my condolences to the victim's family.
I think idiocy is the primary cause here. He should pay for it like anyone else.
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Rest In Peace, Ms. Damond! My sincerest condolences to her family.
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Old 18 July 2017, 12:15
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How in the world can a passenger fire a round through the drivers door hitting a woman standing by the door talking to the driver. If that actually was the events he should be tared and feathered.
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Old 18 July 2017, 12:38
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Rest In Peace, and condolences to the family.


I would like to hear the other Officers description of what went down.

The bullet had to pass very close to the other Officer.

Incidents like these just p*#s me off.

If you are that scared to have a citizen approach you while you are sitting in your vehicle; that you need to take your duty weapon out, then get out of the freaking car. (I hope that reads right)
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Old 18 July 2017, 12:57
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As reported body cameras turned off.
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As reported body cameras turned off.
I think, given the limited info released so far, that "body cameras not turned on yet" is more accurate. Typically they're turned on when someone gets out of the vehicle to approach a scene or make contact with someone.

Not to parse words too drastically, but I think the distinction bears notation. "Turned off" can denote a desire to hide something. They're not turned on 24/7. They get turned on under certain circumstances based on policy and law. I think we will know in time based on the investigation in this case at what time they were turned on (if they ever were) and whether the status of the cameras was consistent with the policy of the agency.
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Old 19 July 2017, 19:45
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I think, given the limited info released so far, that "body cameras not turned on yet" is more accurate. Typically they're turned on when someone gets out of the vehicle to approach a scene or make contact with someone.

Not to parse words too drastically, but I think the distinction bears notation. "Turned off" can denote a desire to hide something. They're not turned on 24/7. They get turned on under certain circumstances based on policy and law. I think we will know in time based on the investigation in this case at what time they were turned on (if they ever were) and whether the status of the cameras was consistent with the policy of the agency.
I think that's a deliberate choice of words by people who understand the distinction perfectly well.
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Old 19 July 2017, 20:01
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I think, given the limited info released so far, that "body cameras not turned on yet" is more accurate. Typically they're turned on when someone gets out of the vehicle to approach a scene or make contact with someone.

Not to parse words too drastically, but I think the distinction bears notation. "Turned off" can denote a desire to hide something. They're not turned on 24/7. They get turned on under certain circumstances based on policy and law. I think we will know in time based on the investigation in this case at what time they were turned on (if they ever were) and whether the status of the cameras was consistent with the policy of the agency.
Fair enough. No parsing of words noted.
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If you are that scared to have a citizen approach you while you are sitting in your vehicle; that you need to take your duty weapon out, then get out of the freaking car. (I hope that reads right)
I'm not ready yet to say he did it out of "fear." There are multiple reasons he could have had his weapon out. We have very little information at this point.
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If you are that scared to have a citizen approach you while you are sitting in your vehicle; that you need to take your duty weapon out, then get out of the freaking car. (I hope that reads right)
You mean like a cute blonde yoga instructor in pajamas.
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I'm glad SOCNET doesn't serve as a forum for speculation and uninformed armchair quarterbacking...oh...nevermind...
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I'm glad SOCNET doesn't serve as a forum for speculation and uninformed armchair quarterbacking...oh...nevermind...
I don't think this is about SOCNET. I think the American people have every reason to ask why questionable deaths continue to happen at the hands of LEO's. If we just set aside every questionable death, or questionable court decision, or disallow every speculative/uninformed quarterbacking of deaths at the hands of LEO's, then government gets a pass they don't deserve.

10% of just about every walk of life has problems. I have never witnessed a group of people who lack the ability to self govern the bad 10% then LEO's.

ETA: Father, 2 brothers, and Uncle were local cops. Cousin and Grandfather were Federal LEO's. I am not averse to waiving the flag in support. What bugs me is the lack of accountability on their part.
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How in the world can a passenger fire a round through the drivers door hitting a woman standing by the door talking to the driver. If that actually was the events he should be tared and feathered.
To answer your question...it can be done very easily! At this point - with the information that was have those far - I agree with Tracy's assessment!
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The agency investigating the shooting stated that the officer who was driving the squad heard a loud sound, which startled him, and it was after the sound that the woman approached their vehicle.

A loud sound could be just about anything. A door slamming, maybe somebody knocked over a trash can, etc.

They went on to state that the woman was shot when she approached their car, subsequent to the sound they heard. Perhaps the loud sound put the officer on edge, his startle reaction was in response to the woman suddenly appearing next to the car.

As Tracy said, most likely an ND, but if the ND were to occur due to being startled, wouldn't it happen immediately when you were startled by the noise? Also, the initial report only stated that Harrity, the driver, was startled. Didn't say anything about Noor being startled.

Given there is no dashcam or body cams, it will be interesting to see how this whole incident gets spun.

Perhaps one of the bigger issues for the Minneapolis PD, as it is with any department of any size, is the wisdom of pairing an officer with about 2 years of experience under his belt with an officer who has even less time on the job than that.
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Perhaps one of the bigger issues for the Minneapolis PD, as it is with any department of any size, is the wisdom of pairing an officer with about 2 years of experience under his belt with an officer who has even less time on the job than that.
I generally agree but I was a field training officer with about two years on the job. Obviously my past professional experience and life experience isn't typical but it happens. Several of my buddies did the training not too long after me. All of them are older than your average new officer with experience before coming here, plus we're busy busy busy so 3-4 years here is a seasoned vet when compared to some other places. No idea what the deal is with these two guys. Maybe Harrity was with Noor for a reason?

I'm going to bookmark this thread for the next time someone says all cops defend other cops all the time.
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That's true, and it could be that Minneapolis is like a lot of departments around the country that are both trending younger and less experienced and perhaps also experiencing manpower issues.

The lawyer for at least one of the cops is raising the defense now that they could have been fearing an ambush. Which, in a sense, is true. But then I suppose the same could be said for any police officer in the country, especially these days.
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The lawyer for at least one of the cops is raising the defense now that they could have been fearing an ambush. Which, in a sense, is true. But then I suppose the same could be said for any police officer in the country, especially these days.
Bold strategy.

CB raises a good point. In the vast majority of the country guys are flying solo after six months on the job.
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