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Old 2 November 2017, 13:58
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I managed to get some SJCs cranked up during the recent outages here in New England. I live near a large lake and joked how the "1%" got power before the rest.
And typical unprepared millenials going through Tech withdrawal went on rants how it isn't fair etc.

My question, how do electrical companies prioritize where the line crews go? Start at the areas with light damage then work their way in to more heavily damaged parts? I live in a rural area so waiting for power is a fact of life.
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Old 2 November 2017, 14:48
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...I live in a rural area so waiting for power is a fact of life.
Indeed. Which is why I have a backup generator fueled by a propane tank on my property. The longest I go without power is the 10-15 seconds it takes for the generator to spool up
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:09
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...My question, how do electrical companies prioritize where the line crews go?....
Biggest bang for the least amount of bucks.

They'll fix a problem that will turn the lights on for 1,000 homes then move to the problem that will fix 100 homes, then 10 and then work their way around the 1's.

That was the simplified answer.

Talked with a guy who got his power from a main line down a secondary road. He said his power was never out for long even during bad ice storms. That main line came back up quick.

A clump of five homes on a cul-du-sac in town was out for just about two weeks when a hurricane blew through. They all got their power from one service pole that was destroyed.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:14
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If you live out in the country, near the end of the line--you're the last to see juice (for the most part). And if you're a dickhead, most lineman will remember your ass...and just like that, the next time their juice goes out, any work order for said dickhead becomes magically lost, or passed on to the next crew with the advice to not be in a big hurry.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:15
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Biggest bang for the least amount of bucks.

They'll fix a problem that will turn the lights on for 1,000 homes then move to the problem that will fix 100 homes, then 10 and then work their way around the 1's.

That was the simplified answer.

Talked with a guy who got his power from a main line down a secondary road. He said his power was never out for long even during bad ice storms. That main line came back up quick.

A clump of five homes on a cul-du-sac in town was out for just about two weeks when a hurricane blew through. They all got their power from one service pole that was destroyed.
Yup...main/bulk feeders go up first.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:17
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Indeed. Which is why I have a backup generator fueled by a propane tank on my property. The longest I go without power is the 10-15 seconds it takes for the generator to spool up
Hang on a second. You dare to not depend on infrastructure for your every need and comfort?

It's amazing how society indoctrinates us to believe we must depend on infrastructure "what would we do without city water" etc.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:19
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The way we do it here.
All the calls come in, from of course all over.
One man crews are out first, assessing damage and taking care of small/service stuff.
The problem many times is, you can throw a fuse in on a distribution line, and it only picks up 1/3 of the services, now you have to walk the entire line to see what the problem is.
So, I guess to answer your question, main disrtubution first, then they pick off the ones and twos left after that.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:21
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Yup...main/bulk feeders go up first.
I was waiting for you to chime in. I figured that is how it went. Myself I rather see stores and gas station get power first anyways.
Tried to tell SJCs status and hood had nothing to do with lights going on.

God help us if social media gets EMP'd.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:36
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God help us if social media gets EMP'd.

I'll pull a DD and say that sometimes, just sometimes mind you, I'd welcome it. And how.
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Old 2 November 2017, 15:41
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Oh, BTW. The DOD is going to shut down the entire US power grid 4-6 Nov as part of massive training exercise of how to respond to an EMP attack.

Per the internet.
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Old 2 November 2017, 16:24
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^^^Haha oh yeah I've been seeing references to those dates as well. Mostly circling around how govt 'drills' are always seemingly taking place when a big incident occurs. The theory is that it creates confusion as to what is a real report vs what is the drill. AKA Hijacking drill during 9/11; Active shooter drill during Newtown; etc.

Anyway the tinfoil with the Nov 4th drill is that they (the deep state) is going to time a shutdown drill in coordination with Soros-backed Antifa groups (with help of the recent $18 billion dollar he just gave his organizations), so that if the power does "mysteriously" go out, it will attributed to the drill and will also hamper local agencies (who are not in the loop) from responding to incidents created by the protagonists.

I for one, welcome the chaos. However, I've always pretty much assumed that when/if something big does occur, "they'll" never let it be broadcasted. It'll be a sucker punch. Methinks all this crying wolf over 'dates' and times are part of the overall desensitization strategy. If they EMP us, or cause a catastrophic stuxnet-like cyber attack on the grid, then everyone's fucked. Well except those in the govt bunkers of course. Can't have your little commie revolutions without food (of course starving is par for the course for communists though so whatever).

The main thing is that I have my massive porn collection on external hard drives and enough back up power and solar panels to have me content for a long time. Hahaha. (That southpark episode seems fairly relevant now).
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Old 2 November 2017, 21:00
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Biggest bang for the least amount of bucks.

They'll fix a problem that will turn the lights on for 1,000 homes then move to the problem that will fix 100 homes, then 10 and then work their way around the 1's.

That was the simplified answer.

Talked with a guy who got his power from a main line down a secondary road. He said his power was never out for long even during bad ice storms. That main line came back up quick.

A clump of five homes on a cul-du-sac in town was out for just about two weeks when a hurricane blew through. They all got their power from one service pole that was destroyed.
That's the way it worked in Raleigh last year when Matthew knocked over all the oak trees. My power was out two days because I live in a dense part of the city. I have a friend who lives maybe two miles away- actually closer to the center of the city, but on a less populated road- it took 10 freaking days to restore power to him.
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Old 2 November 2017, 21:39
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If you live out in the country, near the end of the line--you're the last to see juice (for the most part). And if you're a dickhead, most lineman will remember your ass...and just like that, the next time their juice goes out, any work order for said dickhead becomes magically lost, or passed on to the next crew with the advice to not be in a big hurry.
My house is the furthest from the electric cooperative hqs. They call my cell phone to see if I have power because then they know everyone else in the entire collective has it.

I have gone as long as 11 days with no power.
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Old 2 November 2017, 22:00
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In June 2012 we had a derecho here in WV. I had never heard that meteorological term before that day. Its essentially a wind storm that has to travel 500 miles to meet the criteria to be named a derecho.

This one started in Indiana, traveled down thru Ohio, Ky, WV & Va. I don't even think it rained but it was straight line winds like commonly in front of a thunderstorm only lasting longer.

You could hear trees popping a mile away, leaves were a couple hundred of feet in the air. Its the only time we ever took cover in our basement.

Over 500,000 customers were without power in the state. We were out 11 days as well. It got very hot after the storm. No or very little gas available, no ATM's, what ice was available went quickly. My wife and I said screw this after 2 days and went to Georgia, stayed in Dahlonega for 5 days to get out of the heat and visit grandchildren there.

Pretty bad when you have to go to Georgia to get away from the heat.

It was a good learning lesson. Luckily, I had just filled up the gas tank in my truck. None locally or you were limited to so many gallons. Cooked on the grill and gave away what was in the freezer for folks staying and toughing it out. Learned to keep some cash on hand as well. No gas was available until I got to the Va. border.

The power was still out 4 more days after we returned home. Our local power grid is like a third world country. If Mother Nature farts our power is the first out & last on.
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Old 2 November 2017, 22:02
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I know they have listings of people who are are medical priorities and try to get them up as quick as they can. But, they have to fix the biggest problems first, then work down to smaller areas, and then to neighborhoods, then streets.

My street was dark from sometime Monday AM (i'm guessing 2am) until about 2pm. At 2;30am I was awakened by the stupid cell phone warning about flood warning until 5:30am (which no one cared about since they were asleep). All the streets around me had lights.
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Old 2 November 2017, 22:12
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I work for a phone company, a little different than power, but outages usually go hand in hand.

We have access to "Long Form" Census data, as well as credit bureau records and social media meta data. We sort through people by race, socioeconomic status, political opinions, and national origin to determine who we get back online first. This is a long and arduous process, and usually takes longer than the actual repairs, but we have to prioritize before we actually get started working.
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Pace of restoration this storm vs. 'normal' winter/ice/wind event seems slower due to the requirement for coordination of CMP and DOT +/- local FD/PD. Winter storm, causes of downed lines come and then clear (relatively), leaving CMP to do their thing. Since most of our local power/comms outages are due to trees on the lines, it takes CMP to cut power, DOT to clear the trees with or without fire dept assistance, then CMP to come back, rehang lines and recharge. Multiply by hundreds, maybe, and I'm impressed with how well they're doing so far.

Someone brought up that our semi-drought may have contributed to how many shallow-root trees got toppled entire, as well. Fits with what I've seen around here.
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Old 3 November 2017, 08:21
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My house is the furthest from the electric cooperative hqs. They call my cell phone to see if I have power,because then they know everyone else in the entire collective has it.

I have gone as long as 11 days with no power.
Yeah, that's still old school 'call back'. Call the last customer on the line and if their juice is on, we're good to go.
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