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Old 10 October 2017, 22:02
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Would've just given away his position faster on a dark night.
If he shot the security guard 6 minutes before he opened fire on the crowd, he would have already given up his position. Also, wouldn't breaking the windows have set off an alarm?
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Old 10 October 2017, 22:17
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Wish he would have used lots of tracers; would have less lethal rounds going down range as fast, while overheating his barrel and helping identify his position.

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What's with this attempted tracers thing? You can buy those fuckers at Cabela's. Tracers aren't magic voodoo rounds. Hell, you can buy RAUFOSS rounds on gunbroker. Don't see how you can 'attempt' to buy tracers. It's like 'attempting' to buy a coke at the gas station.

For that matter, THIS STORY, says he in fact did buy tracers. 1000 tracers, specifically.
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Old 10 October 2017, 22:21
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Can't believe you guys are still taking about this.....this was so last news cycle news.
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Old 10 October 2017, 22:46
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I did not know that incendiary rounds equated to tracers.
Incendiary rounds go off on impact vs. tracers that go off during flight, is this not correct?
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Old 11 October 2017, 05:11
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I still believe this guy was a sacrificial lamb for an agenda driven group. As soon as this happen, Hillary talked of suppressors would have made it worse, and then Ryan shelved the HPA. Too many rifles, too perfect, yet sloppy.
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Old 11 October 2017, 05:37
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I'll wait for an official report then compare it with all supposed "leaks" and bits of unofficial info and then try to come to a personal conclusion about this. For me, the official reports are useful not always because of what they say about an accident, but what they don't say.
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Old 11 October 2017, 07:14
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This pisses me off more than anything.......

"The official is involved in the shooting investigation and spoke anonymously because the official was not authorized to disclose case information."

If you're not supposed to or not allowed to talk....shut the fuck up.
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Old 11 October 2017, 07:31
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Disclaimer: I have no tactical experience at all. But if he shot the SG through the door, why did the cops wait for SWAT instead of shooting through the door at him?
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Old 11 October 2017, 07:32
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This guy did exactly what he planned and got exactly what he wanted.
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Old 11 October 2017, 07:54
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Disclaimer: I have no tactical experience at all. But if he shot the SG through the door, why did the cops wait for SWAT instead of shooting through the door at him?
LMAO, there are probably a lot of reasons why you donít want to just shoot through a door. But fuck it, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, right?
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:07
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This pisses me off more than anything.......

"The official is involved in the shooting investigation and spoke anonymously because the official was not authorized to disclose case information."

If you're not supposed to or not allowed to talk....shut the fuck up.
8 years of Obama's "Its a free world" and no accountability. Its better to be cool in the eyes of the reporter than to have any sense of moral fiber.

Or.....

COA 2, the reported is practicing the same behavior.
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:38
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Disclaimer: I have no tactical experience at all. But if he shot the SG through the door, why did the cops wait for SWAT instead of shooting through the door at him?
Have you read this entire thread with comprehension? There have been multiple reasons provided as to why they did what they did.
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:45
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Have you read this entire thread with comprehension? There have been multiple reasons provided as to why they did what they did.
I have, but all of that was based on the notion the SG was shot after the shooter started on the crowd.
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:48
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Also, wouldn't breaking the windows have set off an alarm?
I was thinking the same about the smoke alarms with all that cordite in such a small, enclosed space.
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:49
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I have, but all of that was based on the notion the SG was shot after the shooter started on the crowd.
The timeline in this case has no bearing as to why they didn't. It's all based on what was happening when the first LEO's arrived at the door. As to what happens at that point, is totally dependent upon them and the actions of the bad guy.
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Old 11 October 2017, 08:55
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Disclaimer: I have no tactical experience at all. But if he shot the SG through the door, why did the cops wait for SWAT instead of shooting through the door at him?
1. He had set up a camera. He knew how many were there (1), and knew where the SG was.

2. He obviously wouldn't have cared if his rounds struck anyone else

3. Police did not know where he was in the room, how many bad guys there were, if there were any hostages, or where any misses might hit.
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Old 11 October 2017, 11:04
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1. He had set up a camera. He knew how many were there (1), and knew where the SG was.

2. He obviously wouldn't have cared if his rounds struck anyone else

3. Police did not know where he was in the room, how many bad guys there were, if there were any hostages, or where any misses might hit.
Thank you.
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Old 11 October 2017, 11:05
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You've got to be kidding me. Oh I'm sure this will do something to calm the fears of "Conspiracy". Which is going so mainstream that even one of my college friends, who is like the quintessential fantasy football league lemming/sheep, has been reposting some of the stuff we have been posting here ---- albeit waaaaaaaay later.

Las Vegas shooter's home broken into despite intense FBI, police interest

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A Nevada home the Las Vegas shooter used as a stash house for handguns, shotguns and a “plethora of ammunition” was burglarized last weekend in a stunning security breach, and comes as federal and state authorities say they're still sweeping the scene for clues.
Not sure why any spooks would want to ghost a few Langley new employee orientation docs from that guy's house anyway. Not like the intrepid deep-state Gmen would spill the beans even if they did find them. Or maybe they were there the whole time..........just hiding by the curtains hoping they wouldn't get noticed.

Anyone got an alibi for Gordon Liddy?
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Old 11 October 2017, 12:12
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I was thinking the same about the smoke alarms with all that cordite in such a small, enclosed space.
Cordite?

In a modern firearm?

I didn't hear anything about any old British guns in the room
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Old 11 October 2017, 12:34
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To say this entire debacle is a full-on shit show just does not do the situation the proper amount of justice.

I'd like to see some response like "Will Munny" in 'Unforgiven'
...kill his wife, all his friends, and burn his damn house down.

Because, well, why the fuck not - justice and common sense have become asymmetric concepts in America so why not just try something new - the results couldn't be much worse than they are now.
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