SOCNET

Go Back   SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network > General Topics > The Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 25 January 2016, 23:29
leopardprey's Avatar
leopardprey leopardprey is online now
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 12,143
Angry Highest Threat...

No, it is not ISIS, invading Muslim hordes, even Chicago gangbanger or Indiana meth heads.

It is idiots texting hill driving.

http://wlfi.com/2016/01/17/driving-i...rash-saturday/

This happened several days ago, in the news again today as looks like the prosecutor is going to bring some more serious charges.

I can't tell you how many times this last year, driving around Indiana have almost had a teenager, or soccer mom, or just your average idiot almost hit me as I watch them messing with their phone.

Seems continually reading about someone getting killed, or killing someone else cause texting or talking while driving.

Hell, I had one buddy who was telling he he chewed his wife out, cause he caught her trying to update her Facebook page while driving!

Set your damn phone aside while you drive! If you don't have handsfree bluetooth, then pull over if you need to talk or text!

Two of my nieces and nephews will soon be getting their learning permits. I told their parents - they need a manual drive vehicle and make them turn off their phone when they are driving - period - or they get the vehicle privileges taken away.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"Look Sharp, Act Sharp, Be Sharp - But don't cut yourself!"
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 25 January 2016, 23:50
Longrifle's Avatar
Longrifle Longrifle is offline
Sound off for equipment check!
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pergo per caligo...
Posts: 5,713
How hard would it be to program the location function (GPS, cell tower, etc) of a smart phone to disable ALL phone and text capability of that phone (except 911 service) any time movement in excess of 5 mph is detected? Make it a default setting that cannot be disabled.

For the children...
__________________
The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests. ~Patrick Henry

"Sēlre bi ghwm t hē his frēond wrece, onne hē fela murne." ~Bēowulf, bearn Ecgēowes
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 25 January 2016, 23:59
Shark0311 Shark0311 is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: IL
Posts: 614
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longrifle View Post
How hard would it be to program the location function (GPS, cell tower, etc) of a smart phone to disable ALL phone and text capability of that phone (except 911 service) any time movement in excess of 5 mph is detected? Make it a default setting that cannot be disabled.

For the children...
All that they need to do is impose a large fine for any moving violation that occurs with 2 minutes of cell phone use. Problem solved and people can still use their phone responsibly while driving.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 26 January 2016, 00:23
Cass's Avatar
Cass Cass is offline
Valhalla July 4, 2016 RIP Frogman
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Valhalla
Posts: 5,932
I do not own one of the current "Smarty" phones or anything like it. I do have an old "flip" cell only to be in contact with my wife's Care Facility or my Fiduciary while I may be mobile. I have noted the increase and swing to Smarties taking over the primary mode of occupation with all forms of persons. Most notable are young marrieds whom chair themselves in a restaurant for an evening out, and even before they order dinner, out comes the Smarty. Thus interest with whom sits across the restaurant table ceases, or never begins.

As far as texting/voicing during auto driving it has gone beyond a large leak. It is now a large flood that I do feel Police Officers feel it is not a large credit on their arrest record, thus they let the offenders go. I am absolute that Police Officers see the same Smarty offenses that I do behind the wheel of any vehicle near me or the PO.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 26 January 2016, 01:56
MountainBum's Avatar
MountainBum MountainBum is offline
Vivat Fraternitatis
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: OCONUS
Posts: 926
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longrifle View Post
How hard would it be to program the location function (GPS, cell tower, etc) of a smart phone to disable ALL phone and text capability of that phone (except 911 service) any time movement in excess of 5 mph is detected? Make it a default setting that cannot be disabled.

For the children...
Problem is what if it's passengers. Then you'd have to rely on a vehicle internal device that's calibrated to know via signal characteristics who's sitting in what seat - which would require automaker buy-in to standardize install of such device - which is a lost cause unless forced to by .gov - which is all about pressure on an individual with the proper leverage, etc, etc, ad nauseum.

As my oldest gets to be near driving age - my biggest fear is that she'll be doing everything right but not have the SA (or space) to maneuver through some fuckstain who's checking their Facebook while going 70.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 26 January 2016, 02:08
Longrifle's Avatar
Longrifle Longrifle is offline
Sound off for equipment check!
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pergo per caligo...
Posts: 5,713
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shark0311 View Post
All that they need to do is impose a large fine for any moving violation that occurs with 2 minutes of cell phone use. Problem solved and people can still use their phone responsibly while driving.
We have hefty fines for speeding, and they still speed. In my mind cell phone usage is a whole lot more dangerous than speeding <10 over.

My nephew got rear ended a few days ago while stopped for a red light. The woman, who appeared to be texting according to the driver behind her, never touched her brakes and hit him going the posted limit - 45 mph. It's not known if she'll live. He's ok, but only because he was in a big damn pick up truck.

Current laws aren't working, and innocent folks are getting hurt by those who choose not to obey the law.
__________________
The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests. ~Patrick Henry

"Sēlre bi ghwm t hē his frēond wrece, onne hē fela murne." ~Bēowulf, bearn Ecgēowes
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 26 January 2016, 02:13
leopardprey's Avatar
leopardprey leopardprey is online now
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 12,143
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainBum View Post

As my oldest gets to be near driving age - my biggest fear is that she'll be doing everything right but not have the SA (or space) to maneuver through some fuckstain who's checking their Facebook while going 70.
I hear ya. As the article I posted states, it many times is not the one texting that gets injured/killed. Pisses me off, a 67 year old man doing his job, a loving father, and some redneck idiot texting while driving in his over jacked up truck runs right into them.

At least they can get the phone records and determine if one was texting at the time of the accident, and levy more serious charges against them.

That should be bug deterrent that should be drilled into drivers. Texting on the phone while you had an accident? Lose your license, etc.

I remember a old Myth Buster"s episode that pretty much showed talking while on the phone, or now texting, can impair your driving just as much as being drunk can.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
"Look Sharp, Act Sharp, Be Sharp - But don't cut yourself!"
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 26 January 2016, 05:35
Gray Rhyno's Avatar
Gray Rhyno Gray Rhyno is offline
Authorized Personnel
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NoVa
Posts: 9,549
Quote:
Originally Posted by Longrifle View Post
He's ok, but only because he was in a big damn pick up truck.
I'm glad your nephew is okay. It's a shame whem young people die; it's a tragedy when they are killed because of other people's stupidity.
__________________
"The most HSLD stuff ever taught was the basics. So-called 'advanced training' is often no more than the very fluid and expert application of those basic skills." - SOTB
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 26 January 2016, 08:11
MakoZeroSix's Avatar
MakoZeroSix MakoZeroSix is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: NC
Posts: 7,877
Agree. I've been saying this for years. In fact, I remember us having a debate on here a couple of years ago about it, and the consensus was "more laws won't fix this."

So, are we tired of the carnage yet?

I'm the asshole who sees you texting and pulls up next to you and leans on the horn until you look over in shock, and then I wag my finger like I'm correcting a child for smearing crap on the wall.
__________________
Quote:
theres nothing in our country anymore that seems to suggest that selfless service to the nation is not only appropriate, but required.
- General John F. Kelley
19 Oct 2017
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 26 January 2016, 08:24
Silverbullet's Avatar
Silverbullet Silverbullet is offline
Administrator
 
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Bunker
Posts: 15,201
I'm on record saying we don't need more laws.

There's probably as many crashes from people being distracted changing radio stations, ,messing with GPS, eating or putting on makeup.

Distracted driving is distracted driving no matter what is the root cause.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 26 January 2016, 09:14
Chimo's Avatar
Chimo Chimo is offline
FIDO
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: State of Confusion
Posts: 3,175
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverbullet View Post
I'm on record saying we don't need more laws.

There's probably as many crashes from people being distracted changing radio stations, ,messing with GPS, eating or putting on makeup.

Distracted driving is distracted drivvng no matter what is the root cause.
+10000000000000. Spot on. They have laws against driving drunk. Sure put a stop to that. Smh
__________________
Quote:
I'd shoot a chipmunk if it kicked my door in wearing a ski mask.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 26 January 2016, 09:38
Chris-Harper's Avatar
Chris-Harper Chris-Harper is offline
Un-confirmed User
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Cajun Country
Posts: 1,269
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverbullet View Post
Distracted driving is distracted drivvng no matter what is the root cause.
Agree 1000%

I worked a fatal wreck where we found the guys cell phone on the passenger side floorboard...still playing the porn he had been watching.
__________________
Looking for that red cup of feel right - steve
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 26 January 2016, 10:15
sarc88's Avatar
sarc88 sarc88 is offline
Doc McNasty
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: N.VA
Posts: 2,814
It's especially scary as a biker. A couple yrs ago, I picked up a Triumph Thruxton and promptly began riding it to work, since I have a long, straight patch of good rural pavement with relatively light traffic in the mornings. Coming home is different, with most folks leaving base around 1600 all at once.

I immediately noticed a HUUUGE difference in the attention I got from cars. As a rider, I know it is my job to make cars see me. On the Road King, that is rarely a problem. "Loud pipes save lives" is true, and pulling next to cars is rarely a concern b/c they know I'm there. Not so much on the Triumph. It's smaller, and quiet. Looking into cars as I pass by, I can tell you that no less than 60% drivers were on their phones, and most were texting with their heads down. By the time I made it into town, I was white-knuckled and wishing I was in a car.

The "head down/hands busy" driving habit is a killer on the road. The drift while distracted, and then the overcompensatory swerve when eyes are up, each have fatal consequences. It needs to be a primary pullover offense, with max fines. Not that our LEO's don't have enough to do...
__________________
Be nice to everyone you meet...but always have a plan to kill them.
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 26 January 2016, 10:16
Hotmike's Avatar
Hotmike Hotmike is offline
Authorized Personnel
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South Coast
Posts: 1,314
I'm sure if they were to levy some $500 fines to benefit the city, Cops would be more apt to ticket, and maybe after three or four $500 or $1000 tickets, the General Public might get the clue...

It all falls down to revenue generation... ; )
HK
__________________
- A Pessimist will tell you the Glass is Half Empty...
- An Optimist will tell you the Glass is Half Full...
- An Engineer will tell you the Glass is TWICE AS BIG AS IT NEEDS TO BE!

Sometimes you just gotta hoist the Jolly Roger and start slittin' throats!
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 26 January 2016, 10:18
GPC's Avatar
GPC GPC is offline
Freelancer
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: LFOD
Posts: 6,235
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverbullet View Post
I'm on record saying we don't need more laws.

There's probably as many crashes from people being distracted changing radio stations, ,messing with GPS, eating or putting on makeup.

Distracted driving is distracted driving no matter what is the root cause.

Concur on this, don't forget some idiot trying to shoot up while driving.Lot of that going on in my AO.
__________________
Steel Rain Brings The Pain!
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 26 January 2016, 10:56
SpudWrench SpudWrench is offline
micro-aggressive
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: OCONUS
Posts: 995
Quote:
Originally Posted by sarc88 View Post
It's especially scary as a biker...
I immediately noticed a HUUUGE difference in the attention I got from cars. As a rider, I know it is my job to make cars see me. On the Road King, that is rarely a problem. "Loud pipes save lives" is true, and pulling next to cars is rarely a concern b/c they know I'm there. Not so much on the Triumph. It's smaller, and quiet. Looking into cars as I pass by, I can tell you that no less than 60% drivers were on their phones, and most were texting with their heads down. By the time I made it into town, I was white-knuckled and wishing I was in a car.
On a bike it is very noticeable. Over the last two seasons, I've knocked off two rear view mirrors (cars') because their drivers were dicking around with their phones and changing lanes. I decided that if I ever get stressed out over the ride, I'll quit commuting on the bike. To date, even with the shit drivers around here, I still love riding more than I hate the cagers.

Fines are $750 in Utah, for the first offense (mobile device operation while driving). I've never seen or heard of anyone getting ticketed however. The two biggest killers on Utah roads are cell phone users and red light runners; and each get little attention from the law. DDs get all kinds of attention, but they are only a small percentage of the daytime hour accidents.
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 26 January 2016, 11:00
JoeArmyNCO JoeArmyNCO is offline
REMF
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 1,339
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpudWrench View Post
On a bike it is very noticeable. Over the last two seasons, I've knocked off two rear view mirrors (cars') because their drivers were dicking around with their phones and changing lanes. I decided that if I ever get stressed out over the ride, I'll quit commuting on the bike. To date, even with the shit drivers around here, I still love riding more than I hate the cagers.

Fines are $750 in Utah, for the first offense (mobile device operation while driving). I've never seen or heard of anyone getting ticketed however. The two biggest killers on Utah roads are cell phone users and red light runners; and each get little attention from the law. DDs get all kinds of attention, but they are only a small percentage of the daytime hour accidents.
I can't count the number of times I've nearly been hit by people on their cell phones. That's my biggest fear as a biker.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 26 January 2016, 11:01
Hot Mess's Avatar
Hot Mess Hot Mess is offline
In Vino Veritas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Where you vacation
Posts: 11,102
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hotmike View Post
I'm sure if they were to levy some $500 fines to benefit the city, Cops would be more apt to ticket, and maybe after three or four $500 or $1000 tickets, the General Public might get the clue...

It all falls down to revenue generation... ; )
HK
And then everyone will come her and bitch about that...

Question: what about apps like Waze and Google Maps? What if the phone is in a cradle? Is that the same thing? How are people that use a car GPS less complicit then people using a phone app or are they?
__________________
Come on boys, you got to do it right, pray to the moon in the middle of the night
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 26 January 2016, 11:14
MixedLoad's Avatar
MixedLoad MixedLoad is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: NORCAL
Posts: 8,656
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverbullet View Post
I'm on record saying we don't need more laws.

There's probably as many crashes from people being distracted changing radio stations, ,messing with GPS, eating or putting on makeup.

Distracted driving is distracted driving no matter what is the root cause.
Same here.
__________________
Suaviter in modo, fortiter in re"

"Operator much like rock and roll, is dead." - ClearedHot
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 26 January 2016, 11:14
WGH0922 WGH0922 is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: SoCal
Posts: 1,807
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Mess View Post
How are people that use a car GPS less complicit then people using a phone app or are they?
As SB stated, distracted driving is distracted driving. I know a few cops out here that I worked with on AD. Each one told me that anyone talking on a cell will get a warning, provided it's a 1st offense. Texters are getting a citation regardless. FWIW, 2 weeks ago we had some decent storms out here. I walked my wife out to her car and before I closed her door I told her, "stay off the phone and call me when you get to Pendleton." Not 2 fucking minutes later she calls to tell me how bad the traffic and rain are. I hung up. WTF????
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Our new posting rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:23.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Socnet.com All Rights Reserved
SOCNET 1996-2018