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Old 3 January 2009, 15:18
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Israel Enters Gaza

Looks like Israel is ratcheting things up a few notches. God watch over em.http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...cle%2FShowFull
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Old 3 January 2009, 17:03
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This was in the good ole USA main street in Ft Lauderdale FL. Think how many of these are walking among us. Target rich environment.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Xl68kP4wo

I was in Lauderdale Tues and Weds but somehow I missed seeing the protests. Probably a good thing, it would have just got me riled up.
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Old 3 January 2009, 17:21
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Well it looks as if Israeli troops and armor are now rolling into the strip. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
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Old 3 January 2009, 17:32
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Sharky, what would you use as a comparison? Crusades? I am not trying to be a smart ass, just want to know how you would skin this cat.


My point is that the Christian population will actively stand against the less than 1% of the idiots out there like WBC and the abortion clinic bombers. I dont see thousands of Christians out in the streets protesting the treatment of WBC or Mark Rudolph. Most Christians would prefer to see them locked away for life or dead.

The Muslim/Islamic population on the other hand has a tendency to either actively support these terrorist groups or remain passively silent. True enough that there are those in the Muslim world who are actively opposed to it and have no problem making it known, but in their world THEY are the less than 1%.

So no......it's not a good comparison. I'm not sure there IS a good comparison to be made.
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Old 3 January 2009, 17:36
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My point is that the Christian population will actively stand against the less than 1% of the idiots out there like WBC and the abortion clinic bombers. I dont see thousands of Christians out in the streets protesting the treatment of WBC or Mark Rudolph. Most Christians would prefer to see them locked away for life or dead.

The Muslim/Islamic population on the other hand has a tendency to either actively support these terrorist groups or remain passively silent. True enough that there are those in the Muslim world who are actively opposed to it and have no problem making it known, but in their world THEY are the less than 1%.

So no......it's not a good comparison. I'm not sure there IS a good comparison to be made.
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Old 3 January 2009, 17:44
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This was in the good ole USA main street in Ft Lauderdale FL. Think how many of these are walking among us. Target rich environment.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Xl68kP4wo




It wont be long now before the suicide bombers show up inside our cities if that keeps up. It would have been much too easy for one of those idiots to get inside the Israeli contingent across the street and light off a vest.

I noticed the female in the first part of the video saying that the Israeli's needed to be back in the ovens. I cant believe we allow these people to live here.
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Old 3 January 2009, 18:51
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My point is that the Christian population will actively stand against the less than 1% of the idiots out there like WBC and the abortion clinic bombers. I dont see thousands of Christians out in the streets protesting the treatment of WBC or Mark Rudolph. Most Christians would prefer to see them locked away for life or dead.

The Muslim/Islamic population on the other hand has a tendency to either actively support these terrorist groups or remain passively silent. True enough that there are those in the Muslim world who are actively opposed to it and have no problem making it known, but in their world THEY are the less than 1%.

So no......it's not a good comparison. I'm not sure there IS a good comparison to be made.
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Old 3 January 2009, 22:06
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Lets not let these people live here, if we don't do something soon we will end up in the same mess as the Brits. I don't think I want to live in a city that permits those F heads to protest ..The US government has given another 80 million to the Pali-ragheads ,WTF, we sell Israel GPU's bombs and give the otherside millions, we need to sell Israel 1000 MOAB's. Thats the solution.
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Old 3 January 2009, 22:25
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I don't think I want to live in a city that permits those F heads to protest ..
So, because you don't agree with what these idiots believe, you want to restrict the First Amendment?

What happens when someone decides that your beliefs are those of a F head and so you don't deserve your First Amendment rights?

As much as I think these people are fools, they have a right to gather, to protest, to say what they say. That is an integral part of what our nation is about, and most of us took an oath to defend the document that restricts the United States government from restricting those rights.
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Old 3 January 2009, 22:33
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So, because you don't agree with what these idiots believe, you want to restrict the First Amendment?

What happens when someone decides that your beliefs are those of a F head and so you don't deserve your First Amendment rights?

As much as I think these people are fools, they have a right to gather, to protest, to say what they say. That is an integral part of what our nation is about, and most of us took an oath to defend the document that restricts the United States government from restricting those rights.
I'm all for First Amendment rights, I also took an oath to defend my country from all ememies foreign and domestic. I'm saying that they are the ememies of this country. Thats not an opinion thats a fact. There demonstrations are a little more serious than gay day at Disney World.
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Old 3 January 2009, 22:46
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I'm all for First Amendment rights, I also took an oath to defend my country from all ememies foreign and domestic. I'm saying that they are the ememies of this country. Thats not an opinion thats a fact. There demonstrations are a little more serious than gay day at Disney World.
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Old 3 January 2009, 22:49
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I'm all for First Amendment rights, I also took an oath to defend my country from all ememies foreign and domestic. I'm saying that they are the ememies of this country.

Why?
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Old 3 January 2009, 22:59
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Thought this was an interesting interview from the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, one of the most influential leaders of the militant group Hamas:
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JONATHAN HUNT: Do you believe that Israel can ever strike a peace deal with Hamas?

MOSAB HASSAN YOUSEF: There is no chance. Is there any chance for fire to co-exist with the water? There is no chance. Hamas can play politics for 10 years, 15 years; but ask any one of Hamas’ leaders, ‘Okay, what’s going to happen after that? Are you just going to live and co-exist with Israel forever?’ The answer is going to be no … unless they want to do something against the Koran. But it’s their ideology and they can’t just say ‘We’re not going to do it.’ So there is no chance. It’s not about Israel, it’s not about Hamas: it’s about both ideologies. There is no chance.
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Old 3 January 2009, 23:04
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Why? Because its who they are ,its there religion, because they are supported by countries that our government has declared terrorist haboring countries. Why do we have the war on terror. I know the rights of citizens of this country need to be protected, its a very fine line between legal and dangerous. Where did the 911 terrorists live and train before 911, right here in America . I guess I don't think about all the legal matters I just simply see and ememy for what he is. I don't have all the answers . I know it would be hard to remove all the enemies from our own borders , but I don't think its impossible.
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Why? Because its who they are ,its there religion, because they are supported by countries that our government has declared terrorist haboring countries. Why do we have the war on terror. I know the rights of citizens of this country need to be protected, its a very fine line between legal and dangerous. Where did the 911 terrorists live and train before 911, right here in America . I guess I don't think about all the legal matters I just simply see and ememy for what he is. I don't have all the answers . I know it would be hard to remove all the enemies from our own borders , but I don't think its impossible.
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Old 3 January 2009, 23:20
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Old 3 January 2009, 23:40
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Why? Because its who they are ,its there religion, because they are supported by countries that our government has declared terrorist haboring countries. Why do we have the war on terror. I know the rights of citizens of this country need to be protected, its a very fine line between legal and dangerous. Where did the 911 terrorists live and train before 911, right here in America . I guess I don't think about all the legal matters I just simply see and ememy for what he is. I don't have all the answers . I know it would be hard to remove all the enemies from our own borders , but I don't think its impossible.
Define why they are enemies in a manner that can be supported by the President of the United States within the limitations set by the US Constitution.

You can't. Because they aren't.

They have a right to say what they want. They have a right to protest. OK, you don't agree with them. You have a right to disagree.

Until they actually do something that is treason or an attack on the United States, they are just doing what they have every right to do.

Defend the Constitution - that's what your oath said.

Maybe you should read it.
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If it did, the Japanese would no longer exist, and neither would the Germans.
You're right. My choice of words was poor. I think originally what I said, or meant to say, was that we declared a genocide on Naziism, ie the ideology, not individual people. It's not about people, but what they're doing. And the same could be said for the Empire in Japan.

The Japanese and Germans are still alive, but Naziism is effectively dead, as is the Japanese Empire. The emporer still exists, but he isn't worshipped as tenou (heaven's king, aka God) today. After the war the American military made the Emporer take off his robes, put on a suit and go all over the country basically telling people, "hehe, sorry, I'm not really God. Let's all still be friends though." He was humiliated and we completely spit on their religion. We tore it down. And during the war we bombed the hell out of hundreds of temples. So many temples that I believe only 5 temples in Japan are originals, all the rest were rebuilt after the war. And these were not military targets, they were religious targets. But their religion and their government were pretty much the same thing. The emporers existence today is akin to a museum, it's a joke.

So, in essence, both of those ideologies were effectively wiped out, similar to a genocide. And that was our objective. Our goal in the war was to crush the enemy and eradicate the source of the problem.

My opinion is that it's the same with Islam. I don't want to genocide every single Muslim on the planet. Not at all. But I don't think the War on Terror will actually be effective until we acknowledge that the source of the problems is Islam. It's not some spin-off group, it's the whole enchalada. I don't consider individual Muslims the enemy, I consider Islam the enemy. I have many Muslim friends and wish no harm to come to them. Islam is a threat to the world though. Whether it's EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY in the Middle East, or half the countries in Europe, or Russia, or India, or wherever, I see nothing but trouble if Islam is involved. Go look at a list of all the ongoing conflicts around the world. Muslims are involved (aka the cause) in almost all of them.

Do you think it would be a good thing or a bad thing if 50% of the USA was Muslim? Would it be good or bad for the Constitution?
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I don't want to genocide every single Muslim on the planet.
Seriously. Fuck this shit.

Genocide is NOT A FUCKING VERB. No one here is going to take any of your moronic ramblings seriously until you can effectively communicate in English.

If you are looking for a tutor, there are some German members of the board who have a better command of English.
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