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Old 31 May 2020, 01:08
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This one doesn't require a lot of soul searching. He's a fake. Quite apart from wearing BOTH a CIB and a CAB there's no possible way for this asshole to have a 3rd award CIB.


https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Com...%20Badge%20CIB

Q4: Can a Soldier earn more than one CIB for multiple deployments to Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)/Operation New Dawn (OND), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF)/Operation Freedom's Sentinel (OFS), and/or Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR)?

A4: No. Subsequent award of the CIB is not authorized during the same qualifying period/era. The qualifying period is defined as the contingency/conflict that the Secretary of the Army authorized combat badges to be awarded. The current qualifying period for award of the CIB is the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT). OEF/OFS/OIF/OND/OIR are operations within the GWOT contingency/conflict. No matter how many times a Soldier rotates to the theater, only one award of each combat badge is authorized.

Second and third awards of the CIB are indicated by superimposing 1 and 2 stars respectively, centered at the top of the badge between the points of the oak wreath.



To date, a separate award of the CIB has been authorized for qualified Soldiers in the following qualifying periods:

(1) World War II (7 December 1941 to 3 September 1945).

(2) The Korean Conflict (27 June 1950 to 27 July 1953).

(3) The Republic of Vietnam Conflict. Service in the Republic of Vietnam Conflict (2 March 1961 to 28 March 1973) combined with qualifying service in Laos; Dominican Republic; Korea on the DMZ; El Salvador; Grenada; Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea; Panama; Southwest Asia Conflict; and Somalia, regardless of whether a Soldier has served one or multiple tours in any or all of these areas. The Republic of Vietnam Conflict Era officially terminated on 10 March 1995.

(4) War on Terrorism (Afghanistan, Operation ENDURING FREEDOM) and (Iraq, Operation IRAQI FREEDOM).
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Old 31 May 2020, 08:21
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This makes me want to develop an app with AI that evaluates the quality and credulity of the unstructured text describing a military background and assigns it a veracity likelihood percentage score.
I know that You know that wouldn’t be hard.
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Old 31 May 2020, 09:13
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Old 31 May 2020, 09:18
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Sorry, I mistakenly referred to SDI as CDI. Correction, it's the Sonoran Desert Institute and he is listed as a military veteran employee. I would like with all the other vet employees, they should be able to sniff him out...unless "black ops classified" crap is thrown up.

https://sdi.edu/blog/sdi-thanks-our-veteran-employees/

https://www.facebook.com/SDIschools/
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Old 31 May 2020, 13:51
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(3) The Republic of Vietnam Conflict. Service in the Republic of Vietnam Conflict (2 March 1961 to 28 March 1973) combined with qualifying service in Laos; Dominican Republic; Korea on the DMZ; El Salvador; Grenada; Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea; Panama; Southwest Asia Conflict; and Somalia, regardless of whether a Soldier has served one or multiple tours in any or all of these areas. The Republic of Vietnam Conflict Era officially terminated on 10 March 1995.
Interesting note on the Pan Mun Jom CIBs....they were not awarded until 16 years after the 1984 Soviet Defector Incident....they were awarded in 2000 to all the members of the JSF QRF platoon that responded. I got assigned to
that same JSA unit less than a year after it happened, right after OSUT.

I missed a CIB in Korea by ten months, missed a CIB for Urgent Fury by three years in 1/75, and got out of 1/75 just a few months before OJC. Three near misses....two of them very close....
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I missed a CIB in Korea by ten months, missed a CIB for Urgent Fury by three years in 1/75, and got out of 1/75 just a few months before OJC. Three near misses....two of them very close....
Yes. That is interesting. In the mid/late 80s', and though I did not serve with JSA, not based in Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea, I have been there twice in a 1/506th HMMWV (which is a no,no to have that vehicle in the area); escorting two Czech "officers" in the vehicle (long story).

Sorry for the derail: One interaction with JSA in the DMZ: we were hunting pheasant in the DMZ: the CG, ADC (M), ADC (S), Div CoS and CSM. JSA came out and politely asked us to leave to the south. The expressions on their faces was priceless. 85 birds, and one small deer that day for dinner in the CG's mess.
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Old 5 June 2020, 10:38
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John Sparrowhawk Nightraven? Seriously?
His face looks familiar. IIRC, he was a support guy in Okinawa at 1/1 in the mid 1990's.
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His face looks familiar. IIRC, he was a support guy in Okinawa at 1/1 in the mid 1990's.
I was on Torii in 98, and know quite a few folks from 1/1. Do you know of any possible more specific time line?
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Old 6 June 2020, 19:34
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Do you know of any possible more specific time line?
1994 thru 1997 is when I was in A co. 1/1. That would be the timeline I would have seen him if my memory is correct.
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1994 thru 1997 is when I was in A co. 1/1. That would be the timeline I would have seen him if my memory is correct.
Interesting that no address associated with an APO shows up. If I look at what big data shows on me I can tell I have lived OCONUS.
Doesn’t mean it’s 100% but pretty hard to escape even when trying
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I used to know this guy my mom dated him back when I was younger, thought we was a decent guy until we wondered why he was wearing his uniform all the time and found out he had a wife
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Old 13 July 2020, 22:18
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This one doesn't require a lot of soul searching. He's a fake. Quite apart from wearing BOTH a CIB and a CAB there's no possible way for this asshole to have a 3rd award CIB.


https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Com...%20Badge%20CIB

Q4: Can a Soldier earn more than one CIB for multiple deployments to Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF)/Operation New Dawn (OND), Operation Enduring Freedom (OEF)/Operation Freedom's Sentinel (OFS), and/or Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR)?

A4: No. Subsequent award of the CIB is not authorized during the same qualifying period/era. The qualifying period is defined as the contingency/conflict that the Secretary of the Army authorized combat badges to be awarded. The current qualifying period for award of the CIB is the Global War on Terrorism (GWOT). OEF/OFS/OIF/OND/OIR are operations within the GWOT contingency/conflict. No matter how many times a Soldier rotates to the theater, only one award of each combat badge is authorized.

Second and third awards of the CIB are indicated by superimposing 1 and 2 stars respectively, centered at the top of the badge between the points of the oak wreath.



To date, a separate award of the CIB has been authorized for qualified Soldiers in the following qualifying periods:

(1) World War II (7 December 1941 to 3 September 1945).

(2) The Korean Conflict (27 June 1950 to 27 July 1953).

(3) The Republic of Vietnam Conflict. Service in the Republic of Vietnam Conflict (2 March 1961 to 28 March 1973) combined with qualifying service in Laos; Dominican Republic; Korea on the DMZ; El Salvador; Grenada; Joint Security Area, Panmunjom, Korea; Panama; Southwest Asia Conflict; and Somalia, regardless of whether a Soldier has served one or multiple tours in any or all of these areas. The Republic of Vietnam Conflict Era officially terminated on 10 March 1995.

(4) War on Terrorism (Afghanistan, Operation ENDURING FREEDOM) and (Iraq, Operation IRAQI FREEDOM).
Wait- does this mean if you got a CIB in Vietnam, then you couldn't get one for Grenada? I've seen plenty of guys who did Grenada and Panama have a star on their CIB.
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Old 13 July 2020, 23:48
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Wait- does this mean if you got a CIB in Vietnam, then you couldn't get one for Grenada? I've seen plenty of guys who did Grenada and Panama have a star on their CIB.
Yes, it means just that. Lots of folks got screwed on that deal. But Grenada / Panama / Mogadishu folks who went to the desert did get a star.

But yes, the Vietnam vets who then went to Grenada or Panama or Mogadishu weren't authorized that star.

I've seen the same thing a few times.
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I know guys who got CIB's during DS/DS and got their star in either AFG or Iraq, 10 years later.
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What a bunch of crap. Personally, I think you should be eligible for separate awards from Iraq and Afghanistan, quite frankly.
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It's like the men who fought during WWII against Germany (say, 1944), then got reassigned and fought in the Pacific against Japan in 1945. There were probably several hundred of them.

One war, two theaters of operation = One CIB.

I understand the idea.

Easy for me to say, never having earned a CIB (just the EIB, described by one author as "kind of like demonstrating the ability to start a fire by rubbing sticks together").

Every soldier who has earned the CIB once, and cannot wear the second solely because they were in a "different theater of operations," will have different ribbons/medals on his rack for each operation.

If a soldier could earn additional stars on a CIB for multiple engagements in combat for each conflict (Grenada, Panama, Somalia, Iraq, the 'Stan, etc.) I suspect there would be some with four? five? six? stars on their CIB.

That would be an interesting project for a military historian.

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I remember the issue came up while I was at RHQ. Some of the sharper members here will find it, the old 670-1 (I think) required an Infantry man (and later added MOSC 18) to be on the line for 30 days -10 if injured and evacuated - for the award of a CIB.
Grenada and Panama were splendid little wars but didn't involve 30 days. HQDA allowed (rightly so) for award of the CIB for either expedition but would not authorize a star if one was already a holder - Grenada had quite a few RVN vets in the Batts. By the time we got to Panama, there were far fewer RVN vets but several Urgent Fury vets were there. No stars.
IIRC it was the original requirements for 30 days on the FLOT. The CIB was also restricted to Colonels (O-6) and below. It recognized the burdens of the infantryman who endured.....
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I often wondered the logic behind it and did not know that Fu_King_Lawyer, thank you
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There are a number of us who have seen combat across multiple deployments/years, i.e OEF, OIF, OFS, OIR, etc, over the past 18 years. Maybe a star could be approved to add to one's CIB or CMB? It's a little disingenuous to say that a few weeks in Panama, plus a few weeks (months of sitting around) in DS/DS, are equal to a star, but multiple enemy engagements across separate campaigns and years (in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, or Somalia) is not deserving of a combat star.

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