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Old 4 June 2006, 03:39
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Good there RAT,so many new guys think they're owed something, when the arse falls out the contract,some of my team here think that 6 weeks in the Basra area makes them qualified to "kick the tyres and light the fires " in Baghdad,and talk about how they're going to Triple Canopy etc..........fucking dream on geezers,especially if it's your first gig.

Too many guys also think that because they have some eductaion behind them,that they're going to influence the way a team and a contract is run......if it's your first gig, you should be the grey man, listening and heeding what the old sweats are telling them.....not gobbing off, and saying this is how we did it in the Corp, or in the Army....
I'm noticing that the age is getting lower, the young pups think they know best......and are ignoring the wise old men.....
I'm not the be all and end all of Contractors,hell I've not been doing this long(into my 3rd year) compared to some others, but I've run Route Irish during the crazy years,where the only distinction of whether it was sweat or shit coming out your arse was the difference in texture!

I'm still learning,and will always strive to make me a better Operator, I listened to advice, and the constructive criticism when it came....I took it on the chin, and adapted, some of the new guys on the block don't seem to listen, they have an air of arrogance about them.....

Know your place.......don't mouth off to guys who've been in the badlands,when asked for an opinion keep it short,if it's valid, it'll be taken on board.......if you get shot down in flames develop a thick skin........
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Old 5 June 2006, 05:24
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Good there RAT,so many new guys think they're owed something, when the arse falls out the contract,some of my team here think that 6 weeks in the Basra area makes them qualified to "kick the tyres and light the fires " in Baghdad,and talk about how they're going to Triple Canopy etc..........fucking dream on geezers,especially if it's your first gig.

Too many guys also think that because they have some eductaion behind them,that they're going to influence the way a team and a contract is run......if it's your first gig, you should be the grey man, listening and heeding what the old sweats are telling them.....not gobbing off, and saying this is how we did it in the Corp, or in the Army....
I'm noticing that the age is getting lower, the young pups think they know best......and are ignoring the wise old men.....
I'm not the be all and end all of Contractors,hell I've not been doing this long(into my 3rd year) compared to some others, but I've run Route Irish during the crazy years,where the only distinction of whether it was sweat or shit coming out your arse was the difference in texture!

I'm still learning,and will always strive to make me a better Operator, I listened to advice, and the constructive criticism when it came....I took it on the chin, and adapted, some of the new guys on the block don't seem to listen, they have an air of arrogance about them.....

Know your place.......don't mouth off to guys who've been in the badlands,when asked for an opinion keep it short,if it's valid, it'll be taken on board.......if you get shot down in flames develop a thick skin........
Great piece of advice Argyll. So many guys do comeover here and all off a sudden think they are special operators and know it all. If you come here with an open mind and be prepared to learn from everyone the opportunities are endless.
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Old 16 September 2006, 00:49
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Well, this has been a very interesting read. Lots of talent here. Good. I'm looking for someone's opinion. I'm going to set down my background, and see if anyone can tell me whether I am suited for any type of work in the ME.
I was a civilian police officer for 10 years. Detective for 7 of those 10. Then, I ran a private detective business in a large city. Investigations, courier service, bodyguard work, missing persons, background investigations, some bounty hunting, etc. A little bit of everything. Did that for about 8 years. Then, went to law school and went to work as a prosecutor. Been doing that for about 15 years. Work very closely with my police agencies...perform a moderate amount of police training, participate in investigations, supervise and/or direct investigations from time to time, consult with police agencies on difficult cases. I have maintained an "expert" rating with both 9mm and .357. Trained with heavy weapons and a variety of martial arts people but I like Tim Larkin's Target Focus Training the best.

Is there a job out there for me? I'm bored, and I'm pissed at every damned Islamic extremist that thinks hiding in the dirt and blowing up our kids is his holy obligation, and I want to DO something....
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Old 16 September 2006, 01:35
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If you come looking for trigger time against Islamic extremists , then the Close Protection business isn't for you mate, the idea of PSD is NOT to get into a firefight, the Security Industry is a defensive one, not an offensive one.

If you want trigger time and a challenge try the 19th and 20th Groups mate, they sound more in line with what you are seeking.
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Old 16 September 2006, 08:35
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Thanks. I think the last part of my post was a little misleading. When I said "I want to DO something," I meant that I want to make a personal contribution to the effort. But I believe in letting the military doing the shooting. I'm just as comfortable with an unarmed position as I am with an armed one, and if I had my pick I'd say I'd like to be doing investigations.
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Old 17 September 2006, 10:09
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jdatbs;

From reading your posting, I would suggest applying with Kellogg Brown & Root (KBR). They typically hire civvy LEOs for investigative positions, both looking into mismanagement/graft and for vetting TCN workers.

It is an unarmed position, but you get to stay in the rear with the gear and the beer, and pays pretty well also. I have a few friends that got on with them off of other gigs and they enjoy their jobs. It's not all HSLD, but does get you in country and drawing good pay.
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In the private contracting industry (international), what sort of rear support do you have if say your boots blow a tread or some part of your gear malfunctions.

Also is most of your tech gear supplied or do your source yourself. IE, GPS, NODS, Scopes, ..

then how much down time do you get when on contract to be able to work on things such as re-adjusting kit for fitting, re zeroing weopn after something going wrong, a bit of fitness training. Even just time to handle weapon, and find out all the little personal things about it...

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Old 2 November 2006, 00:21
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Honestly man, I don't think there's one right answer for that question. Situation and company dependent.
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Old 19 November 2006, 08:11
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Quick question for you guys, I am an X army infantryman and I was looking into going into psd work. I had a chance to talk with some BW guys when I was actually doing PSD work for the mayor of Najaf and I was wondering what you guys would suggest as a good launch point? Should I start putting out resumes to companies or head back into training? Basically I am just looking for a bit of advice on where to start out and any help would be a great help.
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Old 31 January 2007, 23:32
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This is to all. I have no training and the army discharged me for asthma. this condition does not affect me but back in 1992 with the cut backs they would not give me a waiver for it. This is something I have been looking at for some time now but can't seem to find the courses to take. I have been an over the road truck driver for 10 years now and I'm still in good shape, 6 ft and weigh 155 lbs. I was wondering if anyone could help me in finding the names for the training I may need.

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Old 11 June 2007, 21:29
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Network

No matter how long you have been in the business, forging a career as an independent contracting is about your reputation, how well you Network and what that Network says about you both professionally and personally. Learn how to network and learn how to maintain your network.
There are a number of professional private security associations which will assist you. Two of my recommendations are ASIS International and the Association of Threat Assessment Professionals (ATAP). Both have local chapters world wide that help to keep you in the industry "Loop."
Last, when you attend training for XYZ corporation try and maintain that little list which everyone promises to stay in touch from. You never know when you may be doing an advance package in Galveston, TX.

I hope this helps out,

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Old 11 June 2007, 22:29
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Here is a situation I found myself in but without an answer to guide me.

On the IC, I didnt want to do the PSD, I filled out a resume and app for the construction and engineering part of one of the 'prominent' and 'in the news all the time' companies. (without saying the obvious) Since their website stated actual need for those slots, not just accepting apps.

I am a licensed residential building contractor, former EFMB Medic, and fairly educated in all aspects of building (wiring framing plumbing HVAC framing estimating buying managing). I just wanted to build.

I applied, and of course, no reply other than ' we got it '

I honestly thought I had a fair shot, but must not have.

QUESTION:
Does anyone know what the Contracting companies are looking for in regards to their construction contractor applicants?
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Old 11 June 2007, 23:28
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Does anyone know what the Contracting companies are looking for in regards to their construction contractor applicants?
From what I know on that side here in Houston. SNC had a lot of IC's already on the pay roll. They used them 1st from what I understand.

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Old 12 June 2007, 10:07
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Here is a situation I found myself in but without an answer to guide me.

On the IC, I didnt want to do the PSD, I filled out a resume and app for the construction and engineering part of one of the 'prominent' and 'in the news all the time' companies. (without saying the obvious) Since their website stated actual need for those slots, not just accepting apps.

I am a licensed residential building contractor, former EFMB Medic, and fairly educated in all aspects of building (wiring framing plumbing HVAC framing estimating buying managing). I just wanted to build.

I applied, and of course, no reply other than ' we got it '

I honestly thought I had a fair shot, but must not have.



QUESTION:
Does anyone know what the Contracting companies are looking for in regards to their construction contractor applicants?
On a similar subject to this, is anyone familiar with any operations sub-contracting or providing commercial diving services?
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Old 12 June 2007, 18:48
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I'm not the be all and end all of Contractors,hell I've not been doing this long(into my 3rd year) compared to some others, but I've run Route Irish during the crazy years,where the only distinction of whether it was sweat or shit coming out your arse was the difference in texture!

LOL, when you hired local cooks there wasnt much difference in the texture either.
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Old 12 June 2007, 18:57
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There are companies out there that will hire you without any experience, and without doing any vetting whatsoever. You do not want to work for any outfit like that, you will regret it if you live to tell about it. WPPS is a really good way to go for the regular Infantry, MP or others outside of the loop. You will get a fair shot, and if you qualify you will get some experience under your belt while making good money. Once you have completed a contract like that you will be more attractive to other contractors and you will be in a much better position to make an informed decision about your next gig.
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Old 25 August 2007, 15:38
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I wanted to bring some points up, again, due to a few posts which caused an influx of resumes over the last few days.

I'm still seeing very poorly organized documents call resume. For some reason many are still being sold on an esoteric resume format vice something that flows smoothly and uses words that mean something.

Use a simple format. Stop bolding words you think are important. Stop using Special Operations every other sentence. If dudes from SMU's don't need to do it, then you don't either. While it may impress the non military background HR person it is completely transparent to the experienced dude who may have the final say. Pick key training that you've attended and list it. Listing every crse you've ever attended, even if not relevant, takes up space better used to list work history and operational experience. I know all the pre retirement/separation seminars tell you about writing to impress but they don't know what they are talking about in regards to this industry. You either have the experience or you don't. You either participated in operations or you didn't.

As stated before don't bury your actual operational experience with a page of fluff you think someone may like. Stress it without exaggeration. It's important. Schools and other training is listed to enhance your experience, not replace it. The first thing I look at on any resume is the work experience. If it's jacked up or uses every buzz word or term in existence, I can pretty much be assured the person is covering for something he is lacking.

I can't stress any of this enough and the use of one professional email for job hunting, is vitally important. hotlove@skank . com or killer@ xxxx. com won't cut it. Something with your first initial/last name or initials is what you should shoot for. Don't use it for your everyday email if you like to email your buds jokes or any type of chain mail. It won't look good if you mistakenly email porno to the same HR person you sent your resume to 3 days earlier.

I'd like to see everyone who is qualified to work, get work, but some effort on the resume needs to be made.

BTW, the DOS format is not a format to use to look for work anywhere but DOS.

Good luck.
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Old 7 October 2007, 08:29
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I have seen some very good posts about PSD work. I have been reading everything I can find since joining, and have found only one pertinent to the line I am interested in: FP. Sniper111 brought some very informative points.
I got extremely lucky with the training gig I am on right now, without networking, as I came into it an unknown. My resume (unfluffed) said enough. I did not have anyone to network myself into this job. Again, I got LUCKY. I realize this. But the work I would like to do when this job runs out of steam is static. I am still reading everything I can find, but this seems to be the best place for this subject. Anyone out there willing to provide more insight?
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Old 18 April 2008, 12:18
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I'm back for a week or so. I am open to help with a few resumes if the need is there. Do not PM me about this if you just registered or have never posted on this site.

I have one person, Putty, who I've been working on and he is head of the list. He presents a unique situation since while he has very good experience, it is limited in the span of time he has performed, ie...he is currently in the Army and has served for a few ys. I've worked through a few different methods of putting his resume together and hope to finalize a smooth copy for him this week.

I'd also prefer if the questions of how, why and when regarding international work stay in this thread vice becoming a thread of their own in the jobs forum.

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Old 11 May 2008, 16:10
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I deleted a few posts that asked company specific questions, etc...

This thread is not for company specific points or questions.

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