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Old 5 March 2018, 22:40
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Paul Allen does it again: USS Lexington located

Lady Lex was sunk in the Battle of Coral Sea in 1942, in what was probably the first naval engagement where the ships involved never came into visual range of each other.

Allen's team has located her 3,000 meters (about two miles) below the surface, resting on the floor of the Coral Sea more than 500 miles off the eastern coast of Australia.

This is the 5th combat vessel Allen has located over the years. He's like a real-life Dirk Pitt. I like to think I'd do something half as cool if I had that much money. The reality is I'd probably be more like Jack Whittaker.
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Old 5 March 2018, 22:51
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That's pretty damn cool.
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Old 5 March 2018, 23:03
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That's pretty damn cool.
Tis indeed!
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Old 5 March 2018, 23:29
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Awesome, as long as he doesn't tell anyone the coordinates.
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Old 6 March 2018, 00:09
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Awesome, as long as he doesn't tell anyone the coordinates.
It's 2 miles down so not sure what anyone could do even if they knew the location
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Old 6 March 2018, 00:31
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Old 6 March 2018, 00:39
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It's 2 miles down so not sure what anyone could do even if they knew the location
For salvage, sure.

Souvenir hunters can reach it if Allen reached it.
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Old 6 March 2018, 01:37
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He's like a real-life Dirk Pitt.
He's more like Admiral Sandecker - get good people, give them the right tools and backing, and get out of their way.

I'm glad she's been found and it clears up the mysteries of her final configuration. She was a gallant fighter.
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Old 6 March 2018, 07:14
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For salvage, sure.

Souvenir hunters can reach it if Allen reached it.
And salvagers. There's concern that a number of WWII ships have been dragged up in the Pacific near the Philippines and Indonesia, despite being war tombs in the eyes of all nations.
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Old 6 March 2018, 07:56
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Outstanding! Now to find Wasp and Hornet.
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Old 6 March 2018, 08:04
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Who is funding these salvage operations? I understand that they are very expensive.
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Old 6 March 2018, 10:27
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Who is funding these salvage operations? I understand that they are very expensive.
"Locals" in Indonesia have been salvaging relatively shallow wrecks. Lexington and Indianapolis are far deeper and would, indeed be very expensive to work.
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Old 6 March 2018, 10:54
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The Titanic is at greater depth (than the Lexington) in rougher seas, and tons of artifacts have been recovered from that wreck over the years since discovery. I'd rather not have that happen to any warships. So, I'll stick with my post above...keep the coordinates secret.
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Old 6 March 2018, 11:03
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He has been - also working with the Navy, which still "owns" Lexington as she's a warship. any salvage would legally require their permission, so the type of operations on Titanic are not going to happen.
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Old 6 March 2018, 11:26
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He has been - also working with the Navy, which still "owns" Lexington as she's a warship. any salvage would legally require their permission, so the type of operations on Titanic are not going to happen.
No one owns any wrecks on the bottom of the sea in international waters. Even if the Navy posted a guard, they can't legally stop anyone from disturbing the site or removing items. Best they do is file a claim in International Court, and most scavengers and wreck hunters in that part of the world aren't going to be too impressed by that.

So...once again, I'm going with my first post, keep the coordinates secret.
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Old 6 March 2018, 12:26
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No one owns any wrecks on the bottom of the sea in international waters.
That's just flat out wrong, and sovereign immunity is extended to warships. I'm not disagreeing with your notion to keep the location coordinates secret either.
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Old 6 March 2018, 12:43
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That's just flat out wrong, and sovereign immunity is extended to warships. I'm not disagreeing with your notion to keep the location coordinates secret either.
You're a researcher? Seriously? Did you read those links? They both back up my assertions.
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Old 6 March 2018, 13:56
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Old 6 March 2018, 15:25
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You're a researcher? Seriously? Did you read those links? They both back up my assertions.
What part of "It is the policy of the U.S. to assert the privilege of sovereign immunity for all United States Ship (USS) vessels and small craft" in my second link backs your claim that Lexington is not still owned by the United States? The first link shows that ownership can be assigned.
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Old 6 March 2018, 15:35
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What part of "It is the policy of the U.S. to assert the privilege of sovereign immunity for all United States Ship (USS) vessels and small craft" in my second link backs your claim that Lexington is not still owned by the United States? The first link shows that ownership can be assigned.
I canít believe I have to explain this to you. U.S. policy has no meaning or bearing or relevance in international waters. All that matters in international waters is brute force. Period. If we are not going to stand watch over the wreck and then use force to protect it, nothing else matters.
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