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Old 10 November 2018, 17:33
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31st MEU - new insignia

This popped up for me today with all the USMC birthday related comms.
I am trying to like this new logo... but it's just not working for me. What say you?
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Old 10 November 2018, 17:58
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Looks like a Grunt Style shirt.
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Old 10 November 2018, 18:20
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It looks like something they hired a local there in Oki to draw it up...I'm not a fan.
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Old 10 November 2018, 18:23
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What was wrong with the old one? I'm not a big fan of changing legacy identifiers just because we can.
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Old 10 November 2018, 23:23
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What was wrong with the old one? I'm not a big fan of changing legacy identifiers just because we can.
Agree. The original 31st MEU logo was fine. Anything with a Trident should be held to those who wear the Trident.
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Old 10 November 2018, 23:31
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A sea snake wrapped around a stick? Looks medical. (Yes, I know it is a trident).
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Unit logo is catching up with recruiting ads from 20 years ago...
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Old 11 November 2018, 07:23
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Unit logo is catching up with recruiting ads from 20 years ago...
Loved that commercial, as a kid. The new logo, not so much.
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Old 11 November 2018, 10:38
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31st MEU looking for relevancy. Lol

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Old 11 November 2018, 17:37
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So has the (SOC) function of the MEUs been removed? Or does it still exist but the "SOC" suffix is no longer used?
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So has the (SOC) function of the MEUs been removed? Or does it still exist but the "SOC" suffix is no longer used?
I found this on their website, because I was curious as well.

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With organization changes to Marine Corps reconnaissance units in 2006, all the MEUís Special Operations Capable (SOC) designation was removed. The 31st MEU then became titled as a Maritime Contingency Force, although it remains capable of conducting the same wide variety of specialized missions on both sea and land.
Though I still recall the 31st being referred to as a MEU(SOC) in 2008.
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Old 11 November 2018, 18:31
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SOC was removed, and the SOTGs became EOTGs. From my float with the 24th MEU a few years back, I'd say the changes are semantic. A MEU has more "special operations" capabilities now (without the -SOC) than a MEU had 10 years ago.
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Old 11 November 2018, 18:52
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What basis of comparison do you have from 10 years ago?
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What basis of comparison do you have from 10 years ago?
I worked extensively with a MEU in AF 10 years ago, then deployed with a MEU more recently. Both had a FR element, but the recent MEU had far more enablers that the FR element could leverage.
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Old 11 November 2018, 19:24
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^True. Each MEU still deploys with a 'BLT Recon' platoon and a 'Force Recon Plt'. They are the nucleus of the Maritime Raid Force and are trained, organized and equipped to conduct every mission plus some, than they were 12+ yrs ago when we became MARSOC. The creation of MARSOC depleted (raped) the Marine Corps and the MEU's of their integrated Direct Action and deep reconnaissance capability. Trust me, I was knees deep in that bullshit and had to put 80 of my 125 Marines/Sailors on a fucking boat while I was conducting a JCET and CNT in the Philippines because the Corps and MEU's were adamant about that "SOC" certification. That capability has been replenished and the MEU's and larger Marine Corps are much better and more agile, flexible and lethal than ever. Rather than using a cookie cutter approach and "throw" people at the problem, they are now able to task organize and "throw" solutions, IE: Roll a FR Plt, a few Cobras, MV-22's over to the LPD, split the ESG, have a frigate or destroyer escort the LPD and conduct over the horizon raids into HOA and Yemen etc.. The MEU's are now also deploying with the F-35 and once in theater have dedicated tankers/transport with KC-130's. Meh, just my .02 centavos. Sorry to be long winded on a thread about a MEU logo designed by 2 LCpl's in the Comm shop.
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Old 11 November 2018, 20:17
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MEU's in Afghanistan 10 year ago aren't always representative of "SOC" as they were generally being organized for protracted land combat, albeit checking the soc certification box. (Though I think a couple just straight deployed to one of theaters without it.)

I agree the soc designation was reducndant and Willy's post makes sense based on how the Corps operates and the capabilites required.

As to the logo, unless something changed, 31st MEU wasn't a major player in force projection, so they probably have time to play with logos.
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Old 11 November 2018, 21:33
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As to the logo, unless something changed, 31st MEU wasn't a major player in force projection, so they probably have time to play with logos.
Maybe not, but they projected a helluva lot of fortitude on libo into PI, Thailand, Bali and Australia. If shit heats up in the Western Philippine Sea, I can foresee 31st MEU playing a part, albeit with CONUS based units assigned.
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Old 11 November 2018, 21:38
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31st motto should have been: "We love you short or long time."
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Maybe not, but they projected a helluva lot of fortitude on libo into PI, Thailand, Bali and Australia. If shit heats up in the Western Philippine Sea, I can foresee 31st MEU playing a part, albeit with CONUS based units assigned.
I remember when 9th Marines CO and staff was double dipped as the 31st MEU CE. Complete goat rope.

Continuing to have UDP infantry BN's and ACE hinders many things.

IMO, other than the Force Recon/Recon element there's no consitancy of the "soc" standard or it's replacement in this MEU, unlike the CONUS based MEU's as you and Gavin laid out.
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Old 12 November 2018, 16:42
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On a somewhat related side-note... As I was doing some more reading about MEU and -SOC capabilities across other MEUs - I see that the current 24th MEU SgtMaj is a guy that reported to my platoon in 3rd SRIG just before I hit EAS. Apologies for the derail...
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