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Old 9 June 2016, 14:24
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Just follow this link for the correct thread to post and intro.

Sorry, http://socnet.com/showthread.php?p=1...post1058568023
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Old 9 June 2016, 14:30
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Just follow this link for the correct thread to post and intro.
I really hate to be a pest, but I don't see a link other than the "New Thread."
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Old 9 June 2016, 16:38
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I really hate to be a pest, but I don't see a link other than the "New Thread."

Not a pest. When you figure out how to send a PM on here, shoot your creds to one of the SF mods. Once we vet you and you prove that you are who you say you are....You are home, with your brothers, as it should be.
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Old 9 June 2016, 18:28
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I really hate to be a pest, but I don't see a link other than the "New Thread."
You aren't the lone ranger. I've been here like 5 years and stay in a constant state of confusion. I still haven't figured out how to post a pic or get my sent PM's to stay in my sent box.
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Old 9 June 2016, 19:03
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A tragic accident occurred at Ft Bragg cross training working with demolitions. 6-7 soldiers were killed and 3-4 lost body parts.
This incident was hushed and the only press was in a local newspaper. I was in the blast area and only caught shrapnel in the back.

This post is a long shot, but maybe one of you were there or heard about it.

I had a bitch of a time with the VA trying to prove my back injury was from this major FU.
This is a reply I got back from message I sent to someone, His Reply

I sent an inquiry to the Command Historian, who I know and will help if he can. I'll advise.
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Old 9 June 2016, 20:46
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I was an 18C instructor for a few years. This incident was talked about even then, 20 years after the fact, and I have seen pictures of the aftermath. The first few days of demo training - ring mains, tying in electrical series, etc are pucker factor exercises for sure, even for the instructors.

It was a terrible event and I hope the OP gets the answers he is looking for
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Old 9 June 2016, 23:45
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I was an 18C instructor for a few years. This incident was talked about even then, 20 years after the fact, and I have seen pictures of the aftermath. The first few days of demo training - ring mains, tying in electrical series, etc are pucker factor exercises for sure, even for the instructors.

It was a terrible event and I hope the OP gets the answers he is looking for
One of my WOII's back in the day was AATTV for one of his tours of SVN. He used the broader details of this incident at Spec Wing (Specialist Training Wing) at the School of Infantry here in Australia when I did my Assault Pioneer Cse back in the 80's. It was sans a lot of the details but the overall big picture fits along with the time frame and was given as a teaching point on "Safety On The Firing Point" lecture at the Dem's Range. I have always assumed the story made it's way back via the mate ship between our lads in the AATTV and the Group guys in SVN.

I had always observed my range safety with crackers but wondered if the story was one of the SI (Senior Instructors) "boogey man" stories to inspire compliance. When I read this the other day I had to reach out to one of my Pioneer Cse mates to confirm I wasn't dreaming about the story about the "Yanks that got fragged on the range" that turned safety on its head.

I hope this gets sorted for you WalksinCircles.
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Old 21 August 2016, 17:17
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Original Article

I was rummaging around trying to find some papers I needed for a project I was working on and found an envelope with my old diplomas and such. I ran across this article which I saved right after the incident happened. I retyped it for anyone concerned.
Hopefully the OP can use it, if he ever logs back in.


Bragg Probing Blast Fatal to Seven GIs
By Bill Wright; Observer Staff Writer

Ft. Bragg today released names of seven Green Beret soldiers killed and five injured when 20 pounds of TNT exploded during demolition training Monday.

The post also has started a full investigation to determine the cause. The dead are listed as;
Sp.4 Donald B. Kingsley Jr. 23, of Warwick RI.
Sgt. Lester E. Park Jr. 20, of Cherry Creek, NY.
Sp. 4 Ronald E. Puckett, 23, of Smyrna, GA.
Sgt. Phillip N. Schnicke, 22, of 2456 Bragg Blvd, Fayetteville. NC.
Sfc Earnest J. Bryan, 37, of 3412 Cranbrook Ave. Fayetteville, NC.
Sgt. Michael Keller, 21 of Ft. Wayne, IND.
Sgt. John D. Pierce. 23, of Flint, MI.

In “very serious” condition at Womack Army Hospital is Sp.4 Francis J. Cosner, 21, of Marietta, GA. He lost his right leg below the knee and suffered laceration and shock.

(Added by DCO; As officer Chaplin Cosner was officiating the memorial service for these 7 soldiers at the memorial center, someone came in and handed him a note. After reading the note he mentioned that Sp.4 Francis J. Cosner, 21, of Marietta, GA had just died. This happened to be his son. He kept on with the memorial service. That was a very somber scene). His son was the eighth.

The remaining four injured and listed in satisfactory condition are;
Sgt. Edgar R. Bible Jr. 22, of Pueblo, Col. Who lost a toe.
Sp. 4 Gene R. Hare, 23, of 1307 Hope Mills Road, Fayetteville, NC.
Sgt. Robert B. Corson Jr. 19, of Lewisburg, PA.
Sgt. Thomas J. Ryan Jr. 23, of St. Louis MO.

Maj. Gen. Edward M. Flannigan, commander of the JFK Center for Military Assistance, has suspended all demolition training until a “complete check of all demolition safety procedures” can be made. Three investigations have been started into the tragedy.

The main investigation will be made by a board composed of three field grade officers, headed by Maj. Robert L. Amick of the 503rd MP Battalion.

A military spokesman said the accident is being investigated also by the Criminal Investigation Division and by the Ammunition Board.

A routine line-of duty determination will also be made, although, the spokesman said, it was “clear” that the accident occurred in the line of duty.

The explosion occurred at the Coleman Demolition Range where Special Forces trainees were learning the techniques of wiring, preparation, and placement of explosives.

There were 121 soldiers involved in the training exercise. They had just undergone a briefing in a bleacher section of the demolition area.

Each soldier had been issued two one-pond blocks of TNT and formed ten circles, some with 10 men and some with 11 in each circle.

Officials were not certain how many were in circle number nine, by apparently there were 11 trainees and one instructor.

They were formed in a circle 15 feet in diameter, facing the inside of the circle. With each soldier’s two blocks of TNT laying at his toes in front of him. The assistant instructor was in the center of the circle.

The group was in the process of wiring the blocks of TNT together. Wires lead from the circle to a switch, and from the switch to a power source in an electrical detonation system.

The procedure was for the trainees, after completion of the wiring, to move back to the bleacher section and watch the detonation.

But the full 20 pounds of TNT in circle nine exploded prematurely.

Army authorities emphatically say they do not know what caused the premature explosion, and deny reports that it has already been determined that the assistant instructor touched a live wire to the circuit.

“Hypothesis range all the way from static electricity to a live wire set it off,” a spokesman said. He said the reason for the investigation is to determine the case.

Immediately after the explosion, four medical evacuation helicopters operating in the area were diverted to the scene and evacuated the dead and injured to Womack Army Hospital.

Also 10 medics, some of them involved in the training, and others assigned to the demolition area, responded.

The Army spokesman said the electrical demolition system is equipped with redundant safety equipment and procedures.

However, the explosives are very sensitive. Demolition training is suspended if even clouds appear over the area. Monday was a clear day.

Gen. Flannigan late Monday issued the following statement, “The demolition accident was a regrettable tragedy. It goes without saying that I am sincerely sorry that it happened. We are undertaking a full investigation to preclude any possible re-occurrence.

“I have ordered a halt to further demolition training until we have made a com-plete check of all demolition safety procedures.”
“I extend my deepest sympathies to their families.”

The trainees were members of the JFK Center’s Institute Brigade, which is a holding unit for men undergoing Green Beret training. After they graduate, they are assigned to one of the Special Forces groups.

It was the first fatal accident since demolition training began at Ft. Bragg 18 years ago. Only once before has there been an accidental explosion which injured an instructor some years ago.
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Old 21 August 2016, 19:26
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The Fayetteville Observer has issues from the times on film down at the main library. May have to hunt and peck around and after the date but it's not that hard to go down there, hunt a story down and print the page.

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Old 15 September 2017, 12:33
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I could have _sworn_ a very similar accident happened back in 1966, when I was going through SF weapons training there on the Hill. Ring main, exploded, a bunch of students killed and injured. The joke that came back from the survivors was "Graduate, Terminate, or Detonate", which kind of stuck in my mind. Am I mixing that period up with the 1974 accident, or were there two?

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Old 13 October 2017, 13:16
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So that's when it happened, eh? 1970? I was thinking it was back in '66 when I was going through Training Group's Weapons Training, and we gun gods were all feeling sympathetic for the demo guys and all. But '70, yeah, could be, must be; I'd just returned from Vietnam and was getting caught up on all the missed schools (NCO Advanced Course at Benning, Jumpmaster School, etc.) But a ring main going off, with all the students still handling the charges: yep, has to be the same accident. Bad luck indeed, glad it wasn't me.
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