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There's a lot wrong with this statement, and I imagine it will take me awhile for me to write out a thoughtful response. But, Governments don't have rights, and certainly not from divinity.
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Jail, death penalty... not designed to be deterrants. Removing trash from our society for a set length of time. Do the crime, do the time, get out, start over. Either rehab yourself, or go back to your life of crime until you get caught again. The reason most people do not commit crimes is not because they consider the penalties as a deterrant. The reason is, most people are decent, law abiding citizens.
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Indeed. That includes making absolutely certain that the government is killing the right person. If they can't guarantee that, then it has no business killing people.
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You keep reiterating this point. Do you think those of us that are in favor of the death penalty support the execution of innocents? Just speaking for myself, I am absolutely against the execution of innocent people. Just because I think society has the responsibility to remove evil doesn't mean I support the killing of people wrongly convicted.
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I support the death penalty. I offer Nidal Hasan as a prime candidate for execution. Caught in the act of multiple murders, and confessed. No doubt at all of his guilt.
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LWOP removes evil from society as well, though, less expensively, and without the associated risks.
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It's only less expensive because of artificially inflated costs of lawyer sodomy upon the taxpayer. The judiciary-prison industry cartel. There's ZERO physical reason for a DP trial to cost any more than any other trial.
The shithead serving life is still subject to release by society wrecking shitlibs, who actively work to free criminals IOT create crisis, which they can then exploit. I'm in Illinois, they release this filth all the time, which is a major reason why there's 800 homicides/yr in Chitcago. Your faith that life without parole is truly permanent is ill-founded. Some fucking activist in a black dress rules it's "unconstitutional" and whammo, the shithead is back on the street. However, I am well aware that our judicial system is full of incompetents, the egomaniacal, the corrupt and the lazy. By reserving the DP for repeat offenders and removing prosecutor discretion, it removes the grandstanding and reduces the chances of executing a truly innocent man to infintesimal %'s. S/F....Ken M
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Exactly. I can buy 500 rounds of 9mm for less than $150. That's like thirty cents a shot.
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Just so I understand this clearly, certain folks believe that we need a foolproof system so that innocent lives NEVER die as a result of our actions. Hence, the opposition to the death penalty.
How about war? How about the atomic bomb? How about death from legal use of prescription drugs? How about death as complication of surgery. What human endeavor is foolproof against human error? I abhor that innocents get killed, institutionally or not. I also abhor the notion that we, the People, should do nothing. Life without parole is a scapegoat. It puts folks away in obscurity, to be forgotten. Out of sight, out of mind. (A) Harsh crimes and suspects should get the light of justice probing into every shadow. (B) Harsh criminals should be suspended for all to see. The process from (A) to (B) should be like any government function: transparent, swift, and thorough. I realize what should be is vastly different from what it. Last edited by 8654maine; 21 March 2017 at 07:35. |
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Like most of these type issues, I think it should be a states' rights decision. If some states want to keep serial killers alive for 40 years, so be it. If Texas or Virginia want to execute so be it. |
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Now that is an ignorant statement if you support the DP. Think it through a little and you might even figure out why.
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Until we have a system of justice that doesn't rely on people having truckloads of money to properly defend themselves, than to me the DP needs to be take off the table. Way too many rich motherfuckers don't receive the justice they deserve because they were blessed with money and an ability to hire expensive attorney's. This will never stop being a problem, so I do not support the death penalty. Plus it isn't doing shit to stop anything.
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As regards the death penalty, what percentage/margin of error would you deem "acceptable"?
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I don't mean to be sarcastic, but isn't that the logical extension of your point as your wrote it? We fight evil the best we can with tools we have, here and abroad. It's messy, yeah, but we do our best. In war, we work on making our soldiers and our weapons smarter, more precise to reduce collateral damage. Why can't we apply the same principle to the death penalty, working to make it smarter and more precise, rather than just giving up on it? |
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Perhaps I'm missing something, I'm in Cook county, this judicial system might as well be the 3rd world. S/F....Ken M
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That said, this is something that should be reserved to the States to decide, as the federal government really shouldn't have this power. I believe it's this way now, in which case I'm okay with that. I distrust the government in all areas, and have no reason to magically accept their ways for this issue. As an aside, if the evidence is clear and the crime is heinous enough, I have no issue with removing someone from life. That's not the same as being pro-DP as it currently stands.
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Yes innocents are killed during war, but that's by "accident", not intent, and if innocents are killed during war and it can be shown it was deliberate or through gross negligence, then those responsible can be tried for crimes. The death penalty has the potential to take someone completely innocent, not involved whatsoever, and then arrest them, jail them, try them, jail them for decades or longer, and then kill them. To top it off, if they have enough money they can all but buy their way out, and if they don't, oh well.
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They are both methods to deal with enemies. The intent in both is to harm those who harm. The fact that innocents are ensnared is reality. The intent for both is to be as precise as possible. It doesn't happen. People with money can escape war or conscription. Same as with crime. So are people against capital punishment or just the current system? |
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Completely agree. 100% percent and then some.
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