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Old 11 November 2014, 17:08
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PJ Name Check for fraudster

Hi, I was hoping one of you guys could validate a name via PM to catch an obvious fraudster claiming to be a PJ while serving as a student in a fire academy. Here is the story:

He is mid-20s and at a fire academy with my younger brother. He is prior AF, but is claiming to be a former PJ. Claims to have served 8 years, multiple deployments, 243 jumps, no DD214s of course. Knowing he is a fraud from the start, I asked my little brother to ask him his class number and who Jason Cunningham is - he replied that he forgot his class #, and has never heard of a Jason Cunningham.

It has gotten to the point that a Captain at the academy wants to nail this kid but is looking for someone to prove that this kid is lying. If anyone is interested in helping out, PM me por favor.

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Old 11 November 2014, 21:36
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Old 11 November 2014, 22:19
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Where is the Fire academy?
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Old 12 November 2014, 05:33
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Where is the Fire academy?
Could get interesting real quick, as probably half of all the Guard/Reserve PJs are Firefighters, LOL. They typically do very well at their respective departments. Whenever I'd visit their stations the Chiefs were always asking me for MORE PJ recruits.
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Old 12 November 2014, 12:38
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SATCOM, correct. Unfortunately I received no PM from Birdman so I have no info other than what is posted in this thread.
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Old 13 November 2014, 00:13
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PM sent to johca.

PJ1/SATCOM, the academy is in Baton Rouge (LSU FETI). Apparently the cadre right now are mostly non-mil and didn't know how to verify. A few weeks ago I heard some stories and told them the kid was a fake, but apparently his act has continued and now they may be looking to "confirm" from what I gather.

Thanks for the replies, I'll keep you posted on how this pans out.
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Old 14 November 2014, 15:48
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Old 2 December 2014, 13:00
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Johca/PJ1,

I got an update from the school - when confronted the kid 'fessed up to making up his claims and never having been a PJ, nor ever attempting to be one. He did 4 years in the AF and separated.

Unfortunately the student was not given any disciplinary action and is allowed to continue, despite his repeated claims throughout the course. But... that is none of my business - to each his own.

Thanks for the help.
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Old 2 December 2014, 13:39
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Wow, now that is in the open at his fire academy, I can't imagine anyone wanting him, as a part of their crew.

Fire Dept.s have a very active and efficient grapevine.
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Old 3 December 2014, 12:40
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Funny, we had a recruit at the sheriffs academy who was prior AF with the 172?th STS in Desert Storm, but he did the reverse and would never acknowledge exactly what did. All he would ever say was he was a FAC and served with an Army Detachment..

So we left it at that.

I remembered him getting really pissy with the tac staff at laser village when he took a few sim rounds during barricaded suspect scenario, we were all there to learn, but he took getting shot with paint waaaay too personal.., like watching a kid get his balloon popped.
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Old 4 December 2014, 07:42
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A FAC? That makes no sense. What was his name?
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Old 4 December 2014, 08:25
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KJ, the former name of today's JTAC was FAC or (Ground) GFAC. If you were a pilot FAC controlling from the sky the name was AFAC. There were not many FACs/JTACs in CCT back then. That was the sole domain of the TACP community. Most of the FAC/JTAC certified guys during that time frame were @ the 24th.
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Long, long time ago, in a land not so far away :), there was the 1724th NAFCOS... (Pre DS/DS)

There were a "few" GFAC qual'd AFSCs represented there, but I don't recall any ROMAD ~ TACP types at the time. - CCT, Yes.
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Old 4 December 2014, 14:17
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Sixgun and KJ pretty much nailed the history. The enlisted TACP AFSC was established 30 April 1977 RADIO OPERATOR MAINTENANCE AND DRIVER SPECIALIST, from a 30454 AFSC shred out. The ROMAD AFSC transformed to TACP effective 30 April 1979, however, these enlisted service members did not get any required training to perform FAC duties or even official approval to perform duties as FACs prior to 1984/85. JTAC is a circa 2000 development and at that time very few enlisted TACPs were qualified to perform FAC/JTAC duties. The 1724th NAFCOS was an interim unit designation between its original designation and its current STS designation. This unit is the first original STS.

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Old 4 December 2014, 14:46
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There were not many FACs/JTACs in CCT back then. That was the sole domain of the TACP community.
Mostly rated officer ALOs prior to 1984/85. However an actual Air Force adopted standardized qualification for ground forward air controllers (GFACs) didn't formally develop until Air Force began allowing enlisted TACP to perform Enlisted Terminal Attack Controller duties ca. 1984/85.


In November of 2002, the JCS chartered a Joint Close Air Support (JCAS) Executive Steering Committee (ESC) who identified the issue of having ôstandardized training of joint terminal attack controllers throughout the Services, USSOCOM, and other DoD agencies/organizations [that] will improve joint force interoperability and effectiveness while reducing the potential for mishaps and fratricide.

The continuing efforts subsequently resulted in the implementation of the establishing minimum standards for JTAC certification and qualification. Improving and changing technology emerging in the late 1980 and the 1990s changed considerably the how close air support was provided and terminal attack control is performed.
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Old 4 December 2014, 14:48
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To throw even more FAC/JTAC/AFAC/ROMAD info out there, the USAF also co-mingles the phrase ETAC, for Enlisted Terminal Air Controller. A old school TACP consisted of a pilot who was given the title of Forward Air Controller, an airman radio operator and an airman radio mechanic. That soon morphed into the single ROMAD. Additional funny history: Butterfly FACs in VietNam were CCT flying with the CIA in Laos until the Commander 7th Air Force learned that enlisted men were controlling jet fighters and put a stop to this effort, giving birth to the Ravens.

Good Background: http://www.facmuseum.org/docs/FAC%20...AC_history.pdf
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Old 4 December 2014, 14:56
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Well to confuse it a bit more there were a couple of PJs doing GFAC duties with the CIA in Laos too. Not to mention a few weather guys, but no TACP.

USAF Pararescue's Team Player History of Role and Mission Crossover Utilization, pages 19 thru 32 disclose some history pertinent to Waterpump, Project 404-Palace Dog operations in Laos.
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Old 5 December 2014, 11:41
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Thank you, Johca and SATCOM for the history lesson. I am an avid student of military history and this adds to my own personal knowledge.
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Old 5 December 2014, 13:57
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I am an avid student of military history and this adds to my own personal knowledge.
I did not know about the PJs and the GFAC stuff, great background (JOHCA always has the best background info). The CROs were seeking to add JTAC certs to their repertoire years ago and that historical info would have assisted their cause. Don't know if any of them ever received the training.
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Old 5 December 2014, 16:39
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JTAC qualification and certification is light years beyond what was needed to do GFAC duties prior to the mid 1980s. SATCOM, GPS, combined with sold state technology becoming more compact, less weight did much to be able to put a communications capability out there using man packable equipment. The reliance or desire to use just about every platform available at altitudes 10K feet above ground and higher using GPS, laser and other smart munitions has complicated the make sure you don't CAS drop bombs on your own position much more complicated.

However, the Pararescue CFETP has had 5.1.33.11 Fixed-wing immediate close air support (ICAS) call for fire procedures and 5.1.33.12 Rotary-wing immediate close air support (ICAS) call for fire procedures identified as a core 5-skill level requirement since 1994.

ARRS 55-11 vol 2 Pararescue Tactical Operations, 1 Sept 1983 (rescinded and obsolete in 1993) had a significant part of chapter 2 devoted to procedures for coordinating and calling in CAS connected to conducting pararescue ground operations. It is important to note PJs were not calling CAS in to support somebody else and generally as the expectation was behind enemy lines there were no other friendly forces in the immediate area to worry about blue on blue incidents.

Also I'm not sure how many PJs were actually qualified to control CAS during the 1970s, 1980s, or 1990s. ICAC was not listed as required or optional in any pararescue Specialty Training Standard prior to 1994. If training certification and qualification was obtained it was documented as a special task certification on an Air Force Form 1098. I 'm aware of only 4-5 names connected to certain specific mission taskings getting such special task certification. The training and certification PJs may or might have obtained prior to the year 2000 and particularly during the 1970s and 1980s cannot and shouldn't be compared to the current JTAC training certification and proficiency standards.

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