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Old 4 September 2015, 11:36
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Old 4 September 2015, 11:43
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I personally like the idea of a destabilized ME, especially with regards to anything that is destabilizing on the Russian and Chinese borders (obviously both of those countries are not ME).

Let the Ruskies and Chinese be distracted with Islamic insurgencies and have to spend time/money on those issues....
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Old 4 September 2015, 12:02
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No country should make immigration policy based on a dead kid from anywhere. It is also hard to feel sorry for Europe, they have for decades depended on the US for both money and troops to secure their existence and it is past time they carry their own weight. As far as the Syrians are concerned I have no fucks to give. Just how hard is it to get an AK and a few hundred rounds of ammo in Syria and pick a side?
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Send them to Serbia.
Serbia is getting refugees by the train load.
With the EU countries keeping them from crossing out and going farther north.
Hungry has built a border fence to stem the flow. It has proven ineffective.
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Old 4 September 2015, 13:09
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Germany is stuck at the end of a line of hot potatoes, as each country shovels refugees on to the next, until they get to Germany, who gets stuck with them. Macedonia has trains dedicated to running them straight from Greece to Serbia ...

Meanwhile, Slovakia ain't taking no shit....

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Old 4 September 2015, 13:11
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Serbia is getting refugees by the train load....
LOL, exactly what that area needs -- more Muslims to piss off the neighbors and local non-Muslims that stayed behind. Gee, so what does genocide look like again?
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Old 4 September 2015, 13:58
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LOL, exactly what that area needs -- more Muslims to piss off the neighbors and local non-Muslims that stayed behind. Gee, so what does genocide look like again?
If this keeps up, we won't have to wait long to be reminded. Humans will wipe each other the fuck out in a competition over resources, and we may see something resembling another major war or societal breakdown on the European continent, something the EU was supposed to prevent from ever happening again......
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Old 4 September 2015, 14:51
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and we may see something resembling another major war or societal breakdown on the European continent, something the EU was supposed to prevent from ever happening again......
The lack of resources wouldn't be a problem in Europe if the government didn't have it's hand in everything. The weird irony of all this is that Europe actually needs immigrants since its birthrates are so low.

But, the societal breakdown, especially in the larger context of some of the countries welfare states has the potential to come to a boiling point. We're likely to see a lot of nationalist parties getting more and more coverage.

http://news.yahoo.com/swedens-far-po...191555467.html


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nordic...QDBHNlYwNzcg--
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Old 4 September 2015, 15:24
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Jordan has a native population of 6 million, but they've taken in 1.5 million refugees so far. And no protests.

http://en.qantara.de/content/jordan-...rue-samaritans
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Which city do we want to turn into a third world shit hole today? Seems we're going to get a sizable chunk ourselves. Already at 1500, but some, to include US Senators, have fallen for the picture and want up to 70,000 in fy2016. I am still appalled at my .gov.

http://news.yahoo.com/us-welcome-5-000-8-000-syrian-refugees-013545437.html

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/aid-groups-senators-us-take-in-65000-syrian-refugees

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/09/04/as-pressure-mounts-for-us-to-open-its-borders-to-syrian-refugees-some-lawmakers/
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Old 4 September 2015, 15:50
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It is a law of Nature that the stronger expend their resources to aid the weaker; be it individuals, states, cultures, whatever. That is how a species grows stronger and thrives.

Right? Isn't that what Darwin said? Or am I confused?
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Old 4 September 2015, 16:39
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The lack of resources wouldn't be a problem in Europe if the government didn't have it's hand in everything. The weird irony of all this is that Europe actually needs immigrants since its birthrates are so low.
No, they really don't. Europe has achieved a status that is sustainable, without all the foreign "refugees" coming in and fucking up the works. Only the money grubbing elite want more drudge labor in, because that depresses wages and shifts power to them(via captive voting blocks). The shitlibs in the UK actually said as much, something like" we're going to bring so much diversity in and rub their(conservative) faces in it."

The other thing is that bringing in all these losers depresses the birthrate among the responsible high function native people, who don't just shit out sprogs that they can't support. It's about quality, not quantity. So bringing in more 3rd world garbage actually depresses the population of high function people they're ostensibly trying to increase.

But honestly I think that's all propaganda for the gullible masses. These facts are not new, nor are they highly disputed. These "refugees" are simply economic migrants looking for the free shit. If they were fleeing "war" they'd stop at the first peaceful nation they got to. In fact many are in Turkey, Jordan, etc. Many, in fact most of them, go on the Euro dole. So they're a net loser wherever they end up in Euroland. Even if they do work, the highly socialized nature of these nations means that low productivity people are a net drain on society, no matter how hard they work. Kinda like all the Meztizos and Indios that South and Central America are dumping on the US. OK, they work hard, so what? The simple math is, no matter how many hours the guy works at $8/hr, he's never going to generate the tax revenue to cover all the services that he and his spawn use. And it's the same for all the "Asians" that come here too. Except a lot of them take middle class jobs instead of working class jobs.

But it's all about the feels, actual thought is so uncool. S/F....Ken M
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Old 4 September 2015, 16:47
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Jordan has a native population of 6 million, but they've taken in 1.5 million refugees so far. And no protests.

http://en.qantara.de/content/jordan-...rue-samaritans
Actually there were plenty of protests, followed by police brutality, political concessions, prison sentences and deportation back to Syria. Once the refugees got the message they settled down.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26908587

At least one person has been reported killed and dozens hurt in a riot at Jordan's Zaatari camp, home to some 106,000 refugees from Syria's war.
Jordanian forces used tear gas against stone-throwing refugees who had set fire to tents and vehicles.
Both sides blame each other for provoking the violence. The dead person was a Syrian refugee, officials say.
The sprawling camp has seen several protests since opening two years ago, mainly over poor living conditions.
Zaatari is located in the Jordanian desert, about 12km (7.5 miles) from the Syrian border.
It is the world's second-largest refugee camp - behind Dadaab in eastern Kenya - and has become the fourth largest city in Jordan.
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No, they really don't. Europe has achieved a status that is sustainable, without all the foreign "refugees" coming in and fucking up the works.
No, the birthrates are too low and they have too much debt. They've needed the immigration (though controlled) to keep costs for services under control. The demographics are shifting to have too many receiving benefits vs putting into the system. The market for labor isn't responsive to supply and demand. Having the US military in their backyard is the giant subsidy that helps the system crawl along. Only Switzerland is really capable of sustaining its system and the Swiss don't seem to let anyone in. (They'll hold onto your money for you though)

As I pointed to in prior posts, look at Japan. This is exactly what's going to happen to them and Japan has a competitive economy vs many Euro States.

Good article from Quartz:

http://qz.com/416895/charting-europe...hic-time-bomb/
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The actions and their consequences:

1. Removal of Gaddafi – open corridor for refugees
2.Dropping of Mubarak and support for MB in Egypt- regional realignment (anti US/pro Israel and in case of Egypt, pro Russia as well)
3.No decisive action in Syria/Iraq- keeping the meatgrinder open for sunni and shia malcontents, strenghtening the regional realignment and producing millions of refugees
4.Inviting turkish military intervention in Syria- shattered ceasefire with PKK
5.Allowing hundreds of thousands of refugees into Europe(800k in Germany alone) while underfunding the UN WFP and HCR - overloading european social sytems and Nazi support on the rise.


1 We (UK, France, Italy and U.S.) did remove Quaddafi, but the refugee crisis only happened after the country went into civil war mode. Putting in a strong man after Quaddafi would have prevented that. Also the refugees are only acting logically. If they make it to the EU they will have western laws and social programs. Nearly no one from Libya is trying to make it to Egypt, Morooco or Tunisia.

2 Egypt is not really pro Russian or pro Chinese, they pro General Al Sisi. Al Sisi is smart enough to wait until we have another President before trying to be a US ally (whatever that means)
3. Iraq Sunni/Shia split; Weakens and indifference does not mean there the western powers want chaos, nor is there a good way to stop it without military ground action. That options is fairly un popular in a democracy.
4. Turkey does what Turkey wants to, we dont allow them to do anything on their borders
5, its not so much that the EU is allowing anything, its just that they have paralyzed themselves and can not think clearly enough to take the necessary action (deportation and a change in asylum laws)

So long as refugees stand a shot at becoming permanent residents of Germany or the UK this will continue. There is a reason why this refugee wave is hitting now (refugee status in the EU is now understood in the refugee camps) and not 2012, 2013 or 2014 when these wars were also in full tilt. Its not a conspiracy its just that refugees now know (internet/word of mouth/satellite TV) that they can get their golden ticket in the EU

If you could choose between fighting for one of the factions in a full scale war or gambling everything one time raft ride to Greece followed by a life of European welfare and socialism what would you choose?d
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Old 4 September 2015, 17:38
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No, the birthrates are too low and they have too much debt. They've needed the immigration (though controlled) to keep costs for services under control. The demographics are shifting to have too many receiving benefits vs putting into the system. The market for labor isn't responsive to supply and demand. Having the US military in their backyard is the giant subsidy that helps the system crawl along. Only Switzerland is really capable of sustaining its system and the Swiss don't seem to let anyone in. (They'll hold onto your money though)

As I pointed to in prior posts, look at Japan. This is exactly what's going to happen to them and Japan has a competitive economy vs many Euro States.
Then we disagree. You simply can't bring in enough low wage, low education, largely just plain stupid 3rd worlders to balance a socialist system like Europe. Each mouth you add makes things worse.

If they were serious about making shit better, they'd be providing incentives for native breeding. And they are, but the facts remain as I said, high function Europeans do not breed children when under high economic stress, they can't support them, so they don't have them.

Japan is just fine, they've got their shit under control, regardless of what some scheming gaijin think. And Japan remains Japanese. Their big economic problem is that they shut down their nukes, which was irrational "feeling" not logical thought.

Besides, Japan is a Japanese problem, not the problem of scheming bankster fucks who have their own interests in mind, not the interests of the Japanese. Just like Europe, this is concern trolling to get their hooks in, which will doubtlessly be destructive to the Japanese way of life, as it has been to the Europeans and Americans.

Europe may very well need to unfuck their economic nonsense, which has absolutely nothing concrete to do with bringing in all these foreign invaders. But that's a European problem, not ours. All these fake concern trolls are just advancing their own interests by deception, because it's to the disadvantage of the European natives. If this immigration bullshit was so awesome, they wouldn't need all this treachery and forcing down people's throats. S/F....Ken M
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Then we disagree. You simply can't bring in enough low wage, low education, largely just plain stupid 3rd worlders to balance a socialist system like Europe. Each mouth you add makes things worse.
We're kinda on the same page here. I think the point I'm making is, absent the immigration, the system is, at least in its current form, unsustainable anyway. I think it would be an easier sell to reform those programs gradually if the society was more homogeneous. But of course, there's elections to think about, and bringing in more dependents helps those who need dependents to vote for them.

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If they were serious about making shit better, they'd be providing incentives for native breeding.
They are, but the effectiveness of the programs will likely fail to yield the results they are looking for.

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high function Europeans do not breed children when under high economic stress, they can't support them, so they don't have them.
The reforms that are needed to stop the high economic stress will be very unpopular. I'm not sure they could be sustained. This is an opinion, I don't know for sure.


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Japan is just fine
I'm in the middle of wrighting an article about just how fucked Japan is. Huge national debt (200% GDP), very old population, bad monetary policies, very low savings rate (and an oncoming campaign to bring it lower). Not looking good.

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Europe may very well need to unfuck their economic nonsense, which has absolutely nothing concrete to do with bringing in all these foreign invaders. But that's a European problem, not ours. All these fake concern trolls are just advancing their own interests by deception, because it's to the disadvantage of the European natives. If this immigration bullshit was so awesome, they wouldn't need all this treachery and forcing down people's throats. S/F....Ken M
I'm actually more interested in how this many persons of Islamic influence will interact with a very tolerant and secular Europe.
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If Europe is to have a future being European (as opposed to backwards ground shitting durkas) they're going to have to get very intolerant.

I don't worry too much, the people that brought us industrialized slaughter of double digit percentages of their populations such as the Western Front should be able to handle people that wipe their ass with their hand. Which will come after they all rediscover the purpose of the French National Razor. S/F.....Ken M
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I'm actually more interested in how this many persons of Islamic influence will interact with a very tolerant and secular Europe.
Hahaha, good one. No, seriously, that made my day.

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5, its not so much that the EU is allowing anything, its just that they have paralyzed themselves and can not think clearly enough to take the necessary action (deportation and a change in asylum laws)
Well, i guess that answers my question about whether you believe in the FDR quote or in Hanlons razor.
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