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Old 15 July 2016, 12:48
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Hell needs to be unleashed, like Arc Light, or Pheonix etc etc.. Hit em hard, but keep media out of it.
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Old 15 July 2016, 14:35
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Hell needs to be unleashed, like Arc Light, or Pheonix etc etc.. Hit em hard, but keep media out of it.
We need to defeat an ideology. I am pretty sure warheads on foreheads doesn't get us close to defeating radical jihadists.

Jews (Holocaust) and Blacks (US Slavery) had the numbers to overtake their "captives" yet they couldn't. Why? For the same reason we cannot expect the majority of Muslims to overtake Radical Islam. Power, strength, fear and brainwashing.

It is like asking the American public to overtake the Federal Government because of the $19T+ debt. Good luck with that strategy.
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Old 15 July 2016, 14:41
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7138466.html

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Old 15 July 2016, 15:31
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We need to defeat an ideology. I am pretty sure warheads on foreheads doesn't get us close to defeating radical jihadists.

Jews (Holocaust) and Blacks (US Slavery) had the numbers to overtake their "captives" yet they couldn't. Why? For the same reason we cannot expect the majority of Muslims to overtake Radical Islam. Power, strength, fear and brainwashing.

It is like asking the American public to overtake the Federal Government because of the $19T+ debt. Good luck with that strategy.

I concur that the only way to ultimately win is to convert enough people to our way of thinking (which is not fundamentally a religious conversion, but to acceptance/belief in the principles that make western societies relatively free and prosperous).
We could win by going medieval on them, heads on pikes and all, but in order to do so successfully we would effectively have to so destroy our own culture that it would be a Pyrrhic victory.
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Old 15 July 2016, 15:57
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This should be front page news. I don't understand why citizens aren't encouraged to risk their lives to take down evil. Yeah, you may die. Yeah, you may not be the individual to take down the evil. But you will encourage others to do the same, which is what we really need in this age - people other than those who serve to risk their lives to save others.

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Old 15 July 2016, 16:56
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..We could win by going medieval on them, heads on pikes and all, but in order to do so successfully we would effectively have to so destroy our own culture that it would be a Pyrrhic victory.
Cultures have survived for all of recorded history doing just that. IMO it is the overwhelming violence that changes minds, not the hugs and caring and asking people to be different. That weakness breeds appeasement.
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Old 15 July 2016, 17:07
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Cultures have survived for all of recorded history doing just that. IMO it is the overwhelming violence that changes minds, not the hugs and caring and asking people to be different. That weakness breeds appeasement.
I never said jack about hugs and kisses. What I believe is that we need to believe that our way of life is actually better, and act accordingly. That wouldn't be weakness. Weakness is our current half-assedness, where we lack both the conviction of our strength and the strength of our convictions. If you see a way that we can rampage on them without imposing any additional restrictions on our personal liberty at home, bring it on. I don't see that happening ... especially when for the most part we ourselves don't seem fully convinced that our way of life is better.
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Old 15 July 2016, 17:17
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Nimja and Baildog are both somewhat correct. But the problem is that many of them want to come here, because they already know that our way of life is superior also. We can't hold a couple hundred million shitheads in our country, there is either going to come a time of serious head smashing or a steady flow of trickle up poverty/immigration until the developed world starts to blend with the underdeveloped.
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Old 15 July 2016, 17:51
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Agree. Problem is there is no emperor to cry uncle and call off the dogs. This is a war of ideas and cultures, not states or governments. Even if we nuke the whole ME, war won't be over. Unless maybe we also go full police state at home. That ain't what winning looks like to me.
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Old 15 July 2016, 18:56
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Old 15 July 2016, 22:23
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I try to keep at a broad political spectrum of friends in my FB feed, including rabid supporters from as many sides as I can collect. The attack in Nice is interesting because, since it has happened, not a single one of my friends has mentioned it. No condolences, no memes, no snarks, no French flags for profile pics. Total silence. Have any of you noticed the same thing?

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Old 15 July 2016, 22:28
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Culture is upstream from politics, demographics is upstream of culture. America has been being destroyed via demographic change since 1964. S/F....Ken M
Which is why the hammer is falling so hard in France. I was in Paris in 2001, the 9th or 11th district was referred to as the "Muslim Quarter" and was a place you just didn't go, especially after dark. They've had years to infiltrate and see what a different culture looks like, and still choose to undermine it.

Part of it is lackadaisical attitude towards constantly upholding what a given nation is supposed to stand for and represent.

Early American immigrants gave up their flags to come under a new ideal. If they won't convert to those ideals and we're still letting them in, then we need to have more babies to keep the status quo.

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Old 15 July 2016, 23:22
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I try to keep at a broad political spectrum of friends in my FB feed, including rabid supporters from as many sides as I can collect. The attack in Nice is interesting because, since it has happened, not a single one of my friends has mentioned it. No condolences, no memes, no snarks, no French flags for profile pics. Total silence. Have any of you noticed the same thing?
I have noticed the identical thing in my facebook feed. Being from California, most of my friends and family are liberal and I have heard nothing about this from any of them. Even the ones who have a problem with islam would never vote with the conservative side. I think they are getting used to these attacks being commonplace and even if a nuke was set off by Muslims, they would still refuse to support punishing or condemning them.

As far as my conservative friends are concerned, I think they are aware of how fruitless arguing with liberals about this is. I am not liberal or conservative but will vote for the most right wing candidate from now on. No point in arguing with those who disagree. I'll keep my mouth shut and hopefully my vote will speak for itself. Too bad many of us have to do this but I would prefer a right wing form of fascism over a leftist one. Only issues I care about now are my gun rights and my hatred of Muslims.
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I try to keep at a broad political spectrum of friends in my FB feed, including rabid supporters from as many sides as I can collect. The attack in Nice is interesting because, since it has happened, not a single one of my friends has mentioned it. No condolences, no memes, no snarks, no French flags for profile pics. Total silence. Have any of you noticed the same thing?

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Maybe the liberals are trying to absorb that memes, snarks, tricolors, and rainbows won't make the problem go away, and pretending the problem doesn't exist isn't working for them anymore.

More likely, they are trying as hard as they can to NOT absorb all that, because it would force them to think logically or - horror of horrors - agree with their political enemies.

I don't think most conservatives were ever into that patronizing touchy feely stuff in the first place, so an apparent lack of it speaks to liberal silence.
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Old 16 July 2016, 00:58
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Maybe the liberals are trying to absorb that memes, snarks, tricolors, and rainbows won't make the problem go away, and pretending the problem doesn't exist isn't working for them anymore.
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I think they are getting used to these attacks being commonplace and even if a nuke was set off by Muslims, they would still refuse to support punishing or condemning them.
I move around a lot, but I've spent most of my time in Nor Cal, So Cal, and MN. I'm back in So Cal for the next while so, yeah, my friends tend to be varying shades of dark blue, too. I was on a date last night with a very liberal woman in her late 30's. I mentioned it while segueing between topics to see her reaction. It looked a lot like vapor lock. Like her toolbox of liberal ideology had nothing to address this situation, but was unable to think outside the box that's been built for her. I agree with both of you, and I think it's probably a combination of the two.

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This should be front page news. I don't understand why citizens aren't encouraged to risk their lives to take down evil. Yeah, you may die. Yeah, you may not be the individual to take down the evil. But you will encourage others to do the same, which is what we really need in this age - people other than those who serve to risk their lives to save others.

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Old 16 July 2016, 01:41
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I think you nailed it as far as a large portion of them are concerned. I have a few liberal friends that agree with me about Islam and one even agrees with me regarding a permanent stop to their immigration here. Unfortunately, these individuals hate the conservative ideology to such a degree that they could never come together and work with someone who thinks different than they do for a common goal. They would rather the Muslims hoards come here.
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Old 16 July 2016, 16:17
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No condolences, no memes, no snarks, no French flags for profile pics. Total silence.
Finally got one. Someone posted a tweet from Peter Gunn equating the people who threaten to run over BLM protesters who block highways with the shit head from Nice. It doesn't seem to be getting any traction, though. If we have another high body count terrorist attack within the next month, I wonder if we will see liberals begin to have an internal ideological crisis and dissension in their ranks.

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Old 16 July 2016, 17:13
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I don't think so. I think the only time we will hear anything from the liberals regarding Islamic terrorism is when the attack is on our soil and it involves guns. They are only concerned with furthering their anti-gun narrative. I really believe that most liberals have no issue with these attacks. They are more interested in protecting Muslims and combating Islamophobia. Even the ones I know who have a problem with Islam would never be willing to do anything about it.

I just hope the right wing continues to grow as a result of these attacks and doesn't become complacent.

I guess what really matters is all those Pokemon waiting to be caught at the Nice crime scene.
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