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Old 8 March 2017, 11:25
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Passport has no address or SSN on it. I never hand anyone, especially gov employees, a document with those elements.
Why not? Genuine question.
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Old 8 March 2017, 11:57
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The whole ID thing is fucking clown shoes. The rational behind it , that was told to me anyway, was the real ID standards can't be forged. This was the same group of ass clowns that let a group of FUCKING ILLEGAL ALIENS do construction in an IC building. They had Maryland IDs and were being watched by an escort but it said in big freaking letter on top "NOT FOR ACCESS TO FEDERAL BUILDINGS".

For those of you with TWICs cards, try flying with one. 1/10 TSA agents will know what it is. Even though their agency is the one that issues the damn thing.
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Old 8 March 2017, 14:23
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[QUOTE=Silverbullet;1058635627]Passport has no address or SSN on it. I never hand anyone, especially gov employees, a document with those elements.[/QUOTE

Gotcha. My neither my DL or retired ID have my SSN.
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Old 8 March 2017, 15:10
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I first heard about the REAL ID a few years ago... I was a hold out until I was forced to get it this year due to my expiration being up. I would not be allowed to renew my driving license unless I jumped through the REAL ID hoops. I brought my passport, but they made me go home and get my original birth certificate, social security card, a couple bills to prove residency, and another photo government issued ID.

From the beginning I knew this was a scam. It's a fucking scam, not only is it bullshit, but you have to pay the fee to get the thing. It doesn't make me feel any safer, because now "bad guys" will just make forgeries with a fucking stupid gold star on them. Way to go Uncle Samuel!

It kind of dawned on me (because I too thought "well they already have all my info anyways") that they're doing this to compartmenalize everything into a central database. What a task for the man to collect every individual citizens personal records; therefore make it the law of the land that the citizens compile it themselves and put it into one centralized place that's easy to pick from.

Big brother is the real deal... anyone who would think that we are not being monitored and herded into submission is in a total state of denial. This is unfortunately where we are at, and it's only getting worse. The REAL ID is only one of many steps toward that barcode some of you were joking about.
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Old 8 March 2017, 15:17
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Does anyone think that a government employee can't get your SSN? I don't understand what scenario is being discussed here.
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Old 8 March 2017, 15:18
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Passport has no address or SSN on it. I never hand anyone, especially gov employees, a document with those elements.
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Had to convince my wife of this. You have a passport that will work with minimal info on it. Use it. The only way I travel domestically. I thought it was just common sense, not to some.
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Old 8 March 2017, 15:48
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Passport has no address or SSN on it. I never hand anyone, especially gov employees, a document with those elements.
The only exception to that for me is the FFL when I'm filling out paperwork to buy a new toy (or the sheriff to renew my CCW). And if I didn't have to give them that information (DL #) to fill out the paperwork in PA, I wouldn't do that.
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Old 8 March 2017, 17:12
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Why not? Genuine question.
How much do you think a $10 an hour .gov employee gets for a good DL# and address that gets sold to an illegal on the Southern border?
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Old 8 March 2017, 17:32
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If that's the threat we're talking about it makes sense, although they have other well established options to get Hispanic documents.

And FWIW I have neither my SSN or actual address on my driver's license. But if we're talking about it from the 1984 perspective it's a little naive.
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Old 8 March 2017, 17:55
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But if we're talking about it from the 1984 perspective it's a little naive.
I agree. There are much easier ways to get data in modern times.
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Old 8 March 2017, 18:21
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I agree. There are much easier ways to get data in modern times.

Heck, just Intellius, PiPl your name...or another dozen plus aggragators. I opt out of what I can but some are less helpful than others. Buying a house made it impossible...or darn near impossible to hide.
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Why not? Genuine question.
If someone wants that info, they need to work for it.

I believe in privacy.
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Passport has no address or SSN on it. I never hand anyone, especially gov employees, a document with those elements.[/QUOTE

Gotcha. My neither my DL or retired ID have my SSN.
DL has your address. Why freely share that?
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Old 9 March 2017, 08:35
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My passport expired in 2002 I think. I've been meaning to get another one. Even filled out the paperwork a time or two but then forgot. Now I have a better excuse: I don't have to visit my in-laws.
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Old 11 March 2017, 10:44
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I use the passport card for this purpose. It's the same size as my drivers license so there is no need to carry a different wallet or anything like my full sized passport. The card contains no real identifying information. My address and SSN are on my drivers license and I don't want that floating around every time someone "thinks" they need to photocopy my ID.
Same here, I carry my passport card and my global entry card and use those.
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DL has your address. Why freely share that?
Agreed. Although, if someone has my name and knows the state I live in, they can still get my address online :-(
Voter registration cards, and property records. Next time I'll use a different number for those items...
But yes, I agree with doing what you can to limit exposure.
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Old 16 March 2017, 12:00
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Just tattoo a bar code on my forehead and get it over already.
Numbers on the forearm worked well in the 1940's.
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When I saw the title of the thread, I immediately thought of the childhood classic, The Sneetches by Dr. Seuss.
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