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Old 16 March 2017, 20:12
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Exclamation VA gun rights bill

http://www.newsweek.com/guns-america...ll-vets-568578


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...tary-veterans/

No, the Govt. does not need to have access to VA medical records, to screen for "mental illness" to own a firearm. We all see where this is going. When people like General Betrayus (Ret.) comes out in favor of screening medical records of vets, well that just right there tells me it is not needed.


What road does this take us down? "Well, all vets who served in combat in Iraq, Afghan, Vietnam are a bit crazy you know? They cannot be trusted. Sgt. Bob Smith went to a PTSD counseling session, cause he saw his team mates killed in an IED. And sometimes he has nightmares and trouble sleeping. Better not let him own a gun."

Next thing you know veterans who really do need help, will not be getting it. Afraid that by asking for help, they will have some of their freedoms taken away. So instead they sit at home with a bottle looking down a barrel.
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Old 16 March 2017, 21:28
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Meh, anyone taking gun control advice from a felon is a fool.
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Old 16 March 2017, 22:00
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So we cant enforce immigration laws because illegals might be afraid to go to the police but it's fucking fine for a warfighter who gave everything he had to have to choose between a God given constitutional right and seeking help from the very fucking agency created to help them.

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"Make sure you get your PTSD rating", they said. "It's free money", they said. I hate to be right, but I predicted this BS about 12 years ago.
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Old 17 March 2017, 08:10
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Which is why the VA should be reduced to a govt bank account number and a plastic debit-card that vets receive after discharge. Maybe a few pharmacies.

Any tool the govt gets it's hands on eventually becomes corrupted by the ever-present encroachment of their ideological insanity. Which is hell-bent on the complete dismantlement of the liberty and the installation of their marxist "utopia" (translation: distopian hellscape).

Wasn't it Feinstein that said she believed all vets should be rated with PTSD upon release, and it was up to them to be "proven" that they don't have it?
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Old 17 March 2017, 11:23
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"Make sure you get your PTSD rating", they said. "It's free money", they said. I hate to be right, but I predicted this BS about 12 years ago.
They tried it with me, also, about 15 years ago. Even made an appt without my knowledge or request, saying those same words - "It's free money!" First thing that went through my mind was, "Bullshit, it will cost me my 2A rights down the road."

Turned out my Dr did not know about it, either. "VA" is a nom de plume of a rat bastard also known as "Nefarious."
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"Make sure you get your PTSD rating", they said. "It's free money", they said. I hate to be right, but I predicted this BS about 12 years ago.
"Nope, I'm fine"

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It's junk issues like this that will make brothers and sisters lie about their condition and further their inability to get the help they need. I am to the point where the VA needs to be scraped and something new take its place.
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Figures. I have an appointment at my VA next week with a PTSD counsellor. My TBI assessment came back with some markers on it.

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If I wanted to rule and control America, the first thing I would do is disarm all the combat veterans.
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It's junk issues like this that will make brothers and sisters lie about their condition and further their inability to get the help they need. I am to the point where the VA needs to be scraped and something new take its place.
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Well check out this little tidbit from the article:

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The NRA-ILA reports that a military veteran labeled with a mental health moniker would actually face “a lifetime ban on the acquisition and possession of firearms, unless he or she successfully petitions for ‘relief from disabilities.’”
Talk about a foot-in-the-door. Who wants to guess how insanely hard it would be to get off that list once you're on it? Who wants to guess how easy it would be for someone to get on it (think Feinstein's comments)? These bills are easily "amended" after the fact by innocuous legislative text that reads like "definition in XXX 116 sec. A now defined as XXX in XXX sec 17 of XXX". That kind of crap is easy to slip into subsequent legislation as riders at the last minute (think "Hughes Amendment")

I remember the ass-blasting that Code Pink got for referring to him as "Gen. Betrayus" ----- but now it seems that they were in fact right (except for the reasons why, of course).

From the first article:

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Twelve House Democrats joined their Republican colleagues Thursday in voting in favor of a bill that would require a judge to first rule if veterans are a danger to themselves or others before the Department of Veterans Affairs takes action to prevent them from purchasing firearms. The House approved the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act, backed by the National Rifle Association, by a 240-175 vote. The legislation will now go to the Senate.
So requiring a judge to declare you a danger.........isn't that just what happens now? Or is this just tangentially establishing jurisprudence for VA authority over gun seizures?
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If PTSD counseling makes a person ineligible to own a firearm, then I suppose just about every documented rape victim in America will be unable to possess a weapon to prevent their next rape.
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So requiring a judge to declare you a danger.........isn't that just what happens now? Or is this just tangentially establishing jurisprudence for VA authority over gun seizures?
No, this is non-tangentially reinforcing the authority of unelected judges to rule over what was once a republic.
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If PTSD counseling makes a person ineligible to own a firearm, then I suppose just about every documented rape victim in America will be unable to possess a weapon to prevent their next rape.


Well...yeah! Remember, the real goal here is a disarmed populace...and if they slowed down, they could make it happen without most of us even noticing.
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Well check out this little tidbit from the article:



Talk about a foot-in-the-door. Who wants to guess how insanely hard it would be to get off that list once you're on it? Who wants to guess how easy it would be for someone to get on it (think Feinstein's comments)? These bills are easily "amended" after the fact by innocuous legislative text that reads like "definition in XXX 116 sec. A now defined as XXX in XXX sec 17 of XXX". That kind of crap is easy to slip into subsequent legislation as riders at the last minute (think "Hughes Amendment")

I remember the ass-blasting that Code Pink got for referring to him as "Gen. Betrayus" ----- but now it seems that they were in fact right (except for the reasons why, of course).

From the first article:



So requiring a judge to declare you a danger.........isn't that just what happens now? Or is this just tangentially establishing jurisprudence for VA authority over gun seizures?
No, VA Doc or PA can say it and not let you know.
They also take guns from vets who have trouble managing their funds by saying they are incompetent.
I resisted getting a PTSD rating, and eventually had to get a rating (10%) which was (is) low enough to leave me alone.

This was another campaign promise by Trump, we now need to ride our Senators hard to make them honor the campaign promises.
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