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Old 17 March 2017, 10:56
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Common Situatuon?

I have been at a loss for the past couple of weeks and debated whether I should post here for guidance.

I have been told there is a backup with DoD on the interim clearances.

My concern is as follows:

1) Is it common to not hear back from your recruiter, even when you call/text/leave messages? I have more success hearing back from the security clearance side than I do my direct recruiters. had my newest security clearance contact not told me, I would not even know my recruiter is no longer there. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? The new recruiter, her phone goes directly to voicemail, which is full. No answer to any texts or emails.

2) Is it common to have your recruiters be rotated out often throughout the different "phases" until you are boots on the ground? In the past 10 months, I am now on my third recruiter with the company, and have been in contact with 4 different points of contact on the security clearance side of the house.

I was initially told to expect to be deployable around the first week of March. Was already at the end of Phase 3 with all ADOCS processed, Afghan VISA in hand, and supposedly waiting for my interim clearance to come in. I know the first week wasn't concrete, so I made sure I had a buffer to cover the bills for an extra period of time before I resigned my position Feb 3. I wanted time to spend with my kids before not seeing them for 6 months.

I wanted to contact my new primary recruiter to verify all docs and whatnot are in fact good to go. That we are truly just waiting for the interim. At what point do I jump the chain of command and say "look she never even made initial contact, let alone answer my questiins."

I don't want to step on anyone's dick, and I am used to the hurry up and wait game, but he'll at this point I don't even have confidence where I am I. the process. Should I look into a different contractor or wait this out?

Hell if one of them would say "Look Devil we were off by our March estimate, we have no fucking clue" at least I would know to get a part time job or something. ROFL.
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Old 17 March 2017, 11:00
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Par for the course. Welcome to the world of contracting.

This is one major reason why people are warned by members not to leave solid jobs.
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Old 17 March 2017, 11:37
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Yeah I hear what you are saying. Tried applying to CDC, FEMA, and a couple other jobs using my college degree with not a lot of luck. I think working for the Indian Tribe might have hurt my resume more than helped. Or maybe because the two jobs I worked were so diverse .... Internal Auditor then to Emergency Management Specialist (disaster planning, Continuity of operations, mitigation, reaction, etc). I'm not an enrolled member of the tribe, so was basically stuck at 40k a year. With a college degree and 4 kids .... not a good paycheck. I sat down and figured out one day using the Dept of Labors index and figured I made more in purchasing power in 1997 with only a high school diploma with the post office, responsible for only myself. lol

At any rate, returning to what I did in the Corps seemed logical if I couldn't use my newer skillset. I asked around about some of the ALSS jobs which would use my experience but was told by my recruiter I had to have boots on the ground first before being considered for it.
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Old 17 March 2017, 12:23
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I asked around about some of the ALSS jobs which would use my experience but was told by my recruiter I had to have boots on the ground first before being considered for it.
If this is true, my how things have changed. ALSS used to be a gateway for guys without much experience to get in to WPPS/WPS.

Sounds like the contract you are chasing is DoD? If the problems/delays you are having really are due to the clearance process, and your company has already done everything on their end, there isn't really anything that can be done about it other than wait.

Did you never deploy as a Marine? Or are your deployments just from a long time ago? Just wondering because otherwise you at least seem qualified for a static embassy guard position with WPS.
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Old 17 March 2017, 13:15
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I served from 97 to 2001 and 2003 with 3 deployments in the first three years, then reactivated from 2003 to 2004. My clearance status had been nixed long ago. lol.

I was just wondering if anyone else had ears to the ground and can confirm if there is a backlog at DoD.

Also, I guess my other point was whether that was SOP .... recruiters lacking in contact with the people under their charge. I guess maybe they are really busy, but how long does it take to at least shoot a text saying "Message received. .. will be in contact shortly."

I know the military is different. I remember my recruiter being in contact with me twice a week. lol

It seems every 3 months I am told "so and so is no longer your recruiter/contact. Now it is XYZ." Do the recruiters rotate that often?
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Old 17 March 2017, 13:16
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typing on a phone cause my laptop is down. realized I can't edit my post. that was 3 deployments from 97 to 2001.
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Old 17 March 2017, 13:35
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Applicant to Recruiter ratio is insanely heavy.

With no deployments in over 15 years (and especially if your old ones weren't to Iraq or Afghanistan), you are unfortunately very low man on totem pole.

And yea, there is a lot of turnover.

Some of the BTDTs here that are in leadership positions with the companies will likely tell you that if you're being ghosted cold turkey, there is often an underlying reason.
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Old 17 March 2017, 14:08
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See and that's the point. The one guy in the security clearance section told me you won't hear from me unless something comes up negative. ok cool. then the other guy handling a different part of the background stuff the beginning of february said "all I am waiting on is DoD. everything else looks good to go." two days later I get an email from the main recruiter stating if I don't have your EQIP by 2/20 you will be released from consideration. ok wtf, I was just told everything was good to go. I spend the next WEEK literally trying to find out wtf is going on. I had completed the EQIP in january. I get to the point where I am in Williamaburg, VA and calling, emailing, texting "hey what is going on? did you find out where the problem is? where's my paperwork? I'm literally only 30 minutes from you. if you need to see me in person I can drive there. I don't want to get purged from the ayatem.

can NEVER get a hold of my recruiter. finally I get word from security clearance guy that XYZ recruiter accidentally sent out a mass email to everyone. I was good to go. ok .. . why didn't XYZ call/email about his fuckup?

I send en email the next week, checking in to my security clearance guy like I was instructed and get a response, ABC is no longer handling security clearances, DEF is now your contact."

find out from DEF that general recruiter XYZ no longer works there, now I am assigned to 123. Try to contact 123 to no avail.

If there is a reason I am being ghosted, it would have been nice to know this and not told I am good to go, just waiting on DoD.
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Old 17 March 2017, 14:32
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Sounds like you need to let this one go and look for other jobs.

If you hear from this company eventually and get deployed, then cool. But I say stop holding your breath.

Hate to say it, but keep in mind that their priority is them, not you. And as such, your priority should be you, and not them. The dynamics of loyalty in this sector are not what you otherwise may be used to.

Just my $0.02. Others may disagree.
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Old 17 March 2017, 14:40
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The dynamics of loyalty in this sector are not what you otherwise may be used to.
That may be the understatement of the century.
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Old 17 March 2017, 15:47
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Old 17 March 2017, 17:49
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Roger. Wasn't sure of the protocol if one company was already working to push you through if you could apply elsewhere as well. Didn't know if that was professional seppuko or anything and you just didn't do it. lol.

Do I just notify Company B that Company A is also attempting to process me?
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Old 17 March 2017, 19:48
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Roger. Wasn't sure of the protocol if one company was already working to push you through if you could apply elsewhere as well. Didn't know if that was professional seppuko or anything and you just didn't do it. lol.

Do I just notify Company B that Company A is also attempting to process me?
Don't say anything at all unless it is the exact same contract and client.

Otherwise just wait until clearance time and only if they bounce back and say you need to get released from the other company.

Treat this like dating multiple chicks at once. You don't really want one to know about the other. They may accidently find out at some point and then you'll have to commit to one or risk losing both.
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Old 17 March 2017, 19:49
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At any rate, returning to what I did in the Corps seemed logical if I couldn't use my newer skillset. I asked around about some of the ALSS jobs which would use my experience but was told by my recruiter I had to have boots on the ground first before being considered for it.
Concerning WPS, isn't ALSS one of the higher paying positions these days ?
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Old 17 March 2017, 19:53
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Old 17 March 2017, 20:16
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2) Is it common to have your recruiters be rotated out often throughout the different "phases" until you are boots on the ground? In the past 10 months, I am now on my third recruiter with the company, and have been in contact with 4 different points of contact on the security clearance side of the house.
Probably a good sign that things aren't peachy at the home office. I've maintained contact with some recruiters over the years that have worked at all the big PSC firms...... and you know it's really bad if they're bitching about the job with you on the phone...
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Old 17 March 2017, 20:17
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Treat this like dating multiple chicks at once. You don't really want one to know about the other. They may accidently find out at some point and then you'll have to commit to one or risk losing both.
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Old 17 March 2017, 20:23
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...if I don't have your EQIP by 2/20 you will be released from consideration.
If they didn't have your eQIP submitted on 2/20... you were never leaving by early March... the clearly dropped the ball on that one. I'm thinking you should start applying elsewhere as well. Good luck.
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Old 17 March 2017, 21:05
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that's the thing I completed the EQIP the first week of january. hell it was supposed to take 5-6 weeks for my afghan VISA and I had that back somehow in under a week. I completed the eqip, sent them my passport and finger prints and had my passport back with afghan endorsement in like 1 week. I was amazed at how fast they had that part done. then a month and a half later, I get that email and was like wtf. I just don't understand why the recruiters don't know what the security clearance guys are doing on their end. if I were a recruiter I would want to know where each of my guys were.
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Old 17 March 2017, 22:06
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If you are asking if there is a backlog of security clearance adjudication, the answer is YES. A lot of factors go into it but if you need a T5 (old SSBI) thats going to be a bit....probably in the neighborhood of 6-8 months. Again, there are a lot of variables but that seems to be about the average. They brought on another contractor to help with the backlog (and from what I've heard, have started to make a dent) but the work never stops.

If you have references/verifiers in remote areas....add more time. Issues...add more time. Problems in review......add more time.

I can't speak to whether or not your company can deploy you on an interim but obviously if you submitted your eQip last month there is no way thats going to be looked at for months.
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