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Old 29 April 2010, 13:37
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I liked the "USS Jane Fonda" from the comments section.
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Old 29 April 2010, 13:45
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The crew won't care, they'll just make up a derogatory name for her, as they have with every other ship of the fleet.
Yup. USS Corrupt, USS Pork Barrel, USS Backstabber....
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Old 29 April 2010, 14:01
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A couple of questions for the Navy guys here, I can't ever imagine refusing an order, but I have not been in a situation like this, what do you think would happen if an entire crew refused to be posted to the ship? and could it realistically happen?


No, wouldnt happen. I dont think solidarity exists to that extent ANYWHERE. Let it float off into history and hopefully in 20-30 years it will be a coral reef somewhere and take Murthas legacy with it.
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Old 29 April 2010, 14:59
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No, wouldnt happen. I dont think solidarity exists to that extent ANYWHERE.
Yeah, hopfully NOT. I assume we're all kidding about this, but to suggest that a service person refusing to serve on board a ship because of the name is anything but a disgraceful dereliction of duty is wrong.

Should soldiers refuse a posting to, say, Fort Hood because it was named after a treasonous enemy of the Union? (Not baiting anyone, just making a point).
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...acks-the-navy/
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I fucking LOVE how the headline is "Obama hijacks the Navy" yet the article is about Mabus, the Secretary of the Navy.

Good to see the Washington Times is still the partisan joke newspaper it always has been.

I wonder why the Times didn't mention this in its editorial:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/15/two-navy-ships-be-named-san-diego-war-heroes/

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One destroyer will be named for Marine Corps Staff Sgt. Rafael Peralta, a San Diegan who was posthumously awarded the Navy Cross for his actions in Iraq
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Another destroyer will be named for the late World War II veteran John William Finn, who received the Medal of Honor from Adm. Chester Nimitz for displaying "magnificent courage in the face of almost certain death" during the Japanese attack on military installations in Hawaii.
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A third Arleigh Burke class guided-missile destroyer will be named for Marine Corps Pfc. Ralph Henry Johnson, who was posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor for his actions in the Vietnam War.
Oh, I know, because they couldn't run the headline bashing "Obama"
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I get it.

Murtha had no problem with sending Marines into harms way, then short-changing them on the things they needed to succeed there, bad-mouthing them throughout the mission, blaming any problems on the grunts, and expecting returning Marines to either thank him or shut up.

To many combat Marines, that might sound like a desciption of the crew of a gator freighter.
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ALCON, please recall and adhere to all rules regarding the POTUS and the (appropriate) use of his name and title. Do not allow yourselves to violate this
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Old 15 February 2012, 17:32
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Where is the leadership (not civilian) in the Navy? No one can eloquently explain why this may be a bad idea to the SecNav or POTUS? Those two can at least claim ignorance.
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"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi praised the Navy’s decision to name an amphibious warship after Rep. John Murtha"

Even if I had never heard of the man, that alone would be enough to convince me that he is one of the last people who would deserve this honor.
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Old 15 February 2012, 23:01
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I fucking LOVE how the headline is "Obama hijacks the Navy" yet the article is about Mabus, the Secretary of the Navy.

Good to see the Washington Times is still the partisan joke newspaper it always has been.

I wonder why the Times didn't mention this in its editorial:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/15/two-navy-ships-be-named-san-diego-war-heroes/







Oh, I know, because they couldn't run the headline bashing "Obama"
Well, an editorial is an opinion piece based the staffs opinion. If the story is not biased then it is not an editorial.

Putting in those ships appropriately named for fallen soldiers would be counter to the argument that the President is naming ships for people who have no business having a ship named after them.

I hold nothing against John Murtha or Gabby Giffords, but they do not deserve the honor... In my opinion.
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KidA-A1 assessment of the Wash Times . It is difficult to find media that isn't biased one way or the other. The part of the editorial that I found interesting is the reference to Sen. Blunt (Missouri) questioning the practice of naming U.S. Naval Ships. I don't recall any controversy surrounding the naming of a Naval vessel until the U.S.S. Murtha. Bottom line, doesn't the SECNAV had the final authority of naming the vessels (with POTUS final approval)??
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Old 15 February 2012, 23:18
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I hold nothing against John Murtha or Gabby Giffords, but they do not deserve the honor... In my opinion.


+2 Maybe I'm just gettin' old, but I prefer the Old Navy Tradition of naming them acronyms of our Nation, Cities, Towns, war battles and war heroes.
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It's a disgrace. That name is cloaked in dishonor.
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http://www.news.navy.mil/search/disp...story_id=52846


Let them know what you think at the bottom....
"This story is closed to further comments"

Wonder why....
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Because it's from 2010?
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Because it's from 2010?
Touche....
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Exclamation Here are some answers to questions

About how ships are "SUPPOSED" to be named

Source wiki-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_ship_naming_conventions

Traditional conventionsBattleships (BB), by law, were named for states, except for USS Kearsarge (BB-5).

Battlecruisers (CC) under the 1916 program were to receive names of battles or famous ships. When cancelled under the Washington Naval Treaty, two were converted to aircraft carriers (CV), and this became the standard for them, with the exception of USS Franklin D. Roosevelt (CVB-42), USS Wright (CVL-49), USS Forrestal (CVA-59), and USS Kitty Hawk (CVA-63).

"Battlecruisers" or Large Cruisers (CB) under the 1940 program were named for US Territories.

Cruisers, both light and heavy (CL and CA), were named for cities in the United States and Territories, with the exception of USS Canberra (CA-70).

After the first nuclear-powered guided missile cruiser, USS Long Beach (CGN-9),[3] CGN's of the California and Virginia classes were named for states. (Bainbridge and Truxtun were commissioned as frigates).

Destroyers (DD) and destroyer escorts (DE) were named for navy, marine corps, and coast guard heroes.

Frigates (DL), formerly destroyer leaders, were likewise named after naval heroes; these were reclassified as cruisers or destroyers in 1975.

Frigates (FF), formerly ocean escorts, were also named for naval heroes.

Submarines (SS and SSN) were either given a class letter and number, as in S class submarine, or the names of fish, marine mammals, and crustaceans.

Oilers (AO and AOR) were named for rivers with Native American names, and colliers named for mythical figures.
Fast combat support ships (AOE) were named after US cities.

Ammunition ships (AE) were named either after volcanoes (e.g. Mauna Loa) or words relating to fire and explosions (e.g. Nitro and Pyro).

Combat stores ships (AK, AF, and AFS) were named after stars and other heavenly bodies.

Minesweepers (MS) were named for birds, or after "positive traits," e.g. Adept and Dextrous.

Hospital ships (AH) were given names related to their function, such as Comfort and Mercy.

Fleet tugs (AT) and harbor tugs (YT) were named for Indian tribes.

The first forty-one nuclear ballistic missile submarines (SSBN) (called "boomers") were named after historical statesmen considered "Great Americans."

[edit] Modern conventionsOhio-class ballistic missile submarines (SSBN and SSGN) are named after states, except for USS Henry M. Jackson (SSBN-730).

Attack submarines (SSN) are named after cities in the case of the older Los Angeles class and after states in the newer Virginia-class submarines. One ship is named after a fish/other submarine and another is named after US president Jimmy Carter (the only president to serve in the submarine service); another (now decommissioned) was named after nuclear-submarine pioneer Admiral Hyman Rickover.

Aircraft carriers (CV) are named after American admirals and politicians, usually presidents.

Amphibious assault ships (LPH, LHA, and LHD) are named after early American sailing ships, Marine Corps battles, or legacy names of earlier WWII-era carriers.
Cruisers (CG) are named after battles.

Destroyers (DDG) and frigates (FFG) retain their traditional naming conventions after Navy, Coast Guard, and Marine heroes, except for USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81).

Other amphibious vessels are named after cities or important places in US and US Naval history.

Fast combat support ships are named for distinguished supply ships of the past.

Replenishment oilers were named for shipbuilders and marine and aeronautical engineers, but have returned to the older convention of river names.

Dry cargo ships (AKE) are named for American explorers and pioneers.
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Here are some answers to questions RgrMontcalm.

Well done. Thanks for the research.
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Mabus to name new ship USNS Harvey Milk

I respect Milk's service as a diving officer in the 50's but this naming convention shit is getting out of control. John Murtha, Caesar Chavez, Gabby Giffords?? WTF? What next the USS BLM?

https://news.usni.org/2016/07/28/nav...st-harvey-milk
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