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Old 3 December 2018, 09:23
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French Protests

I'm surprised nothing about this has been posted yet.




"President Emmanuel Macron held emergency talks with the prime minister, interior minister and top security service officials at the presidential palace in Paris after flying in from the G20 summit in Argentina on Sunday.

There will be a debate on the political situation at the National Assembly on Wednesday, followed by a debate in the Senate on Thursday. A planned visit by Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, to the National Assembly this week has been cancelled as a result.

Protests spread on Monday to around a hundred high schools across the country."


https://www.france24.com/en/france/



While I'm sure many in Europe are serious about trying to fight "Global Warming", this tax on fuel is not about that.

This is a tax on the lower and middle class in to simply collect more tax revenue. The French, as well as many European countries, can't simply raise taxes on the higher income classes without further damage to capital formation.

Anyone in the area got any insight?
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Old 3 December 2018, 09:40
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"Protests spread on Monday to around a hundred high schools across the country."
Maybe if we are lucky the kids will burn down their whole country.
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Old 3 December 2018, 11:00
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I'm surprised nothing about this has been posted yet.




"President Emmanuel Macron held emergency talks with the prime minister, interior minister and top security service officials at the presidential palace in Paris after flying in from the G20 summit in Argentina on Sunday.

There will be a debate on the political situation at the National Assembly on Wednesday, followed by a debate in the Senate on Thursday. A planned visit by Jean-Claude Juncker, the president of the European Commission, to the National Assembly this week has been cancelled as a result.

Protests spread on Monday to around a hundred high schools across the country."


https://www.france24.com/en/france/



While I'm sure many in Europe are serious about trying to fight "Global Warming", this tax on fuel is not about that.

This is a tax on the lower and middle class in to simply collect more tax revenue. The French, as well as many European countries, can't simply raise taxes on the higher income classes without further damage to capital formation.

Anyone in the area got any insight?

My understanding is that the French have tax brackets approaching 80% now, which prompted major corporations and high earning individuals to relocate to other places within the EU over the last few years. So, they have hit the wall and then some on how much they can take before they have to build a wall, a la East Germany, to keep people from fleeing, while at the same time they have imported so many refugees. So, yeah. Makes complete sense why they are burning shit down. This is the exact lodel that the left in the US wants to impose on us here, just here it will be on a much larger scale. Every time we import a taker versus a maker, we are one step closer to this same thing happening here.
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Old 3 December 2018, 11:09
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My brother has a friend that lives in Paris and she has to go through that mess to get home from work. She’s had to walk through tear gas the last two nights and says they are destroying everything, defacing monuments, etc.
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Old 3 December 2018, 11:19
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My understanding is that the French have tax brackets approaching 80% now, which prompted major corporations and high earning individuals to relocate to other places within the EU over the last few years. So, they have hit the wall and then some on how much they can take before they have to build a wall, a la East Germany, to keep people from fleeing, while at the same time they have imported so many refugees. So, yeah. Makes complete sense why they are burning shit down. This is the exact lodel that the left in the US wants to impose on us here, just here it will be on a much larger scale. Every time we import a taker versus a maker, we are one step closer to this same thing happening here.
From what I can tell, the highest bracket of 75% was taken down some time ago. Although, if you add everything up, it looks like it can actually approach that 80% number.

https://www.expatica.com/fr/finance/...ce_101156.html

Take home pay is pretty shitty. Then you have to pay a 20% VAT tax.

Separately, it looks like fuel taxes in France are already around 64%.
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Old 3 December 2018, 11:37
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Every time I see a nice French flagged vessel I think to myself, there is another refugee of socialism.
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Old 3 December 2018, 11:57
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Good for them for sticking up for themselves. No government will stop taking what you have until you stop them.
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Old 3 December 2018, 12:39
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This is a tax on the lower and middle class in to simply collect more tax revenue. The French, as well as many European countries, can't simply raise taxes on the higher income classes without further damage to capital formation.

Anyone in the area got any insight?

France: Let's raise income taxes on incomes over $1M Euro to 75%.

Rich: Fuck you, I'm moving.

France: Nevermind. We'll repeal. Now to find out who can't leave......
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This is also tied into the lowering of speed limits and outsourcing of traffic cameras to corporations in an effort to gouge even more money out of the citizenry.

Sound familiar?
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Old 3 December 2018, 15:03
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But they sure are conscientious protesters, what with wearing hi-viz traffic vests.

My nephew got his masters in France, said that several of his (French) classmates have contacted him (he's in Dallas), looking to leave.
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Old 3 December 2018, 15:43
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What is so shitty about the France situation and ours is all of this is completely avoidable. Socialism does not work. Has not worked and will not work unless we live in some sort of startrek society with unlimited resources. Even with all of that I give humanity 60/40 to mess it up.
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This is also tied into the lowering of speed limits and outsourcing of traffic cameras to corporations in an effort to gouge even more money out of the citizenry.

Sound familiar?
Sounds like Australia.

But as long as there is beer and football available, no one will protest here.
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How's their free healthcare working out?
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Old 3 December 2018, 18:31
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And now another bystander death.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-46429930

But socialism will work here in America...
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Old 3 December 2018, 19:43
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You guys are just being anti. Just wait until you hit the re-education camps, see how funny it is then.
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Old 3 December 2018, 22:45
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I love the look on Macron's face as he surveys the damage. I imagine he may have, just once, started down the train of thought that leads one to change and growth--but quickly dismissed it.
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Old 3 December 2018, 22:56
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Europhobes.

We're supposed to be copying and emulating the utopia of the EU.
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So the French government is announcing the suspension of the fuel tax increase. I'm sure they'll find something else to increase taxes on (or multiple things). As a friend of mine just said a bit ago...about the only thing remaining would be the mistresses...but that wouldn't be very French.
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If you want to tax the poor, just create an extensive lottery system and add more tax to cigarettes.
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Mostly this is just fucking up my Paris layovers.
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