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Old 2 December 2019, 12:12
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Yeah we had rear antennas, and I could get you coming up behind me while I was stationary, but not when I was moving in the same direction. I think mine was a "Hawk"? Been too long.
Yep. I would be traveling at 0200 in the morning on a deserted road and see lights in my rearview mirror coming up to me faster than they should. I would be doing 55 and they were trying to run over me at 95 until they saw those reflective letters on my trunk lid. Then the "whine" on my radar "screeched' like a barn owl getting plucked alive.
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Old 2 December 2019, 15:12
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we had forward and rearward looking radar units as well as handheld lidar in most patrol cars when I was still working in law enforcement.. and that was almost 20 years ago..

no telling what technology cars have in them in major metro areas these days.. but I wouldnt think it would be a problem to track speed in either direction while mobile or stationary..
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Old 2 December 2019, 18:32
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we had forward and rearward looking radar units as well as handheld lidar in most patrol cars when I was still working in law enforcement.. and that was almost 20 years ago..

no telling what technology cars have in them in major metro areas these days.. but I wouldnt think it would be a problem to track speed in either direction while mobile or stationary..
Same...definitely had this tech 20 yrs ago, and it wasn't even considered "advanced" back then.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:14
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Your damn fine post...
Definitely getting a pro to argue it. I think I'm a fairly smart guy, but under no circumstance any notion that I'd be able to handle a court proceeding.

Again, as to his attitude, I'm not going to press the attorney to make it an issue unless he thinks it's warranted. A few other officers felt it could be a teachable moment for the guy, but that's not for me to decide. I've been chewed out by far better. Ya know, I think what irks me the most is that I've known quite a few GA Troopers personally, and they've seemingly set a high bar for professionalism. Finally, and since I quite a few friends and family are LEO's, being a bully'ish type of cop isn't good for the entire profession.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:20
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Yes, front/rear, mobile/stationary, same direction/opposite direction, all
standard fare in LE doppler radar systems.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:35
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Some More Generic LE Doppler Radar Info

Edit to above (since there's no available option to edit post, itself): Probably
standard nowadays, is additional ability to set unit to display "highest
speed"; normal display will be strongest return signal. If a fast moving/
low reflection vehicle was closer than a slower/high reflection vehicle, like
a semi or box truck, the display would show speed of the slower, more
distant vehicle, instead of the faster & closer vehicle.

This ties in to the concept that the radar is only there to confirm/verify
the officer's visual estimate of speed. As he notices the Corvette appears
to be XX mph in a YY posted speed zone, he notes the display shows
an inappropriately slow speed (that he attributes to the slower semi), and
switches unit to "fastest"--and the Vette's speed is then displayed. It all happens faster than it takes to read this.

BTW, having a radar detector will reduce your chances of talking a ticket
away, or getting leniency on the cite (e.g. cop writes you for 60 in a 50,
instead of the 68 mph he had on radar), AND will generally only alert
you to the lazy guys who sit with radar continuously transmitting. Your
chances of getting a worthwhile alert, when cop uses radar in standby/
instant-on mode (he sees you, estimates, turns radar on/gets return, done) is much
lower--especially if he's turning it on for *your* vehicle.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:37
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It sounds like you know a local deputy, local ADA, and local trooper. Have you asked them to talk to the trooper who gave you the ticket and find out what he says? He may be a dick, and he may have been having a bad day, neither of them an excuse to treat you that way. But if you ask, you might find out his motivation.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:44
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You're taking this whole thing awfully personal. We've all run across a prick cop (at least those of us who have had more than a few "interactions" with the po po). I'd advise you to go in there, be nice, smile nice at the judge and hope they drop it to like 19 over and pay the ticket.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:47
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Have you considered meeting with the ADA that handles traffic? With your non-existent record, many times they are prone to helping you out. I know that some do and some simply won't budge, but it's worth a shot before spending a lot of money on an attorney to get you out of a traffic ticket. Many of them (Prosecutors) can understand the "insurance" issue and help you out since you are a repeat offender.
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Old 3 December 2019, 10:06
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You're taking this whole thing awfully personal. We've all run across a prick cop (at least those of us who have had more than a few "interactions" with the po po). I'd advise you to go in there, be nice, smile nice at the judge and hope they drop it to like 19 over and pay the ticket.
You're right, I did. So would you, at first at least. Wrong fucking guy for real, tried to be polite, he only got worse as he failed at verbal judo. So yeah, I give a shit about my spotless driving record, don't want to pay a fine that I didn't do fuck all to earn, and watch my insurance go through the roof.

I've thought better of it at this point. However, I know that I sound like I'm simply pissed that I got a speeding ticket, by an asshole, in this case, this guy truly got the wrong guy. Any rational person who truly got got as the wrong guy would be pissed.

That said, I've been advised well and am taking that guidance to the letter. I have a local attorney who said that if I have to actually pay this one, I don't owe him a cent.
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Old 3 December 2019, 10:55
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Always keep your documents in order man. It helps to deescalate the situation. It may have gone differently if they were.

My m.o. on a traffic stop at night is flashers on, windows down, dome light on, hands on the steering wheel, and a respectful greeting. Then I ask for permission to take out my wallet and open the glove compartment. My goal is to make the officer as comfortable as possible.

When overtaking a vehicle at night slow down and approach it cautiously until you can verify what kind of vehicle it is. If you cannot determine if it is an officer, hang back.

I had a buddy that passed a trooper that was doing 10 miles an hour bellow the speed limit. He got pulled over and the officer stated "I heard the cattle around here, not you!"

Better to play it safe, a few miles per hour isn't going to gain you much in time over a short run.
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Old 3 December 2019, 15:27
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I have a local attorney who said that if I have to actually pay this one, I don't owe him a cent.
Nice.
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Old 20 January 2020, 14:12
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To close this loop!

Thanks to guidance from a bad ass trooper here, I knew what to say, based upon how the GA Trooper said he got me on radar. In short, it wasn't physically possible for the guy to have got a bead on me.

The solicitor dismissed all of the heavy stuff, and since I could not prove that was not speeding at all, they dropped the charge to 14 over and no points on my license.

As fun, the solicitor does not like God's Special People, aka Georgia State Patrol. He seemed to enjoy knocking my charges away after agreeing with what I'd said, based upon the spot on analysis from a member of this board. Which is basically:
The trooper was moving in my direction of travel, at midnight. He was cresting a hill approximately 300m in front of me, and I'd JUST came over the crest of a hill. And he lost site of me, AND the other car that blew by me.

About as fair an outcome as I could have expected.

Thank you very much to that LEO. Please stop by when you leave your part of the dirty south.
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Old 20 January 2020, 14:25
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since I could not prove that was not speeding at all
Uhh...how does...never mind.
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Old 20 January 2020, 14:30
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Uhh...how does...never mind.
ask!
I was making light of the fact that he wouldn't dump all of the charges.

The items that got dropped were for the super speeder bonus prizes. ie, extra fines, driving school, points on the license.

And frankly, I wasn't driving 55, but I damn sure wasn't driving 85.
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Old 20 January 2020, 15:08
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I think the inference was that it's interesting that you had to prove that you weren't speeding...i.e. having to prove your innocence. Seems a little backwards since they couldn't prove it was you that was speeding...
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Old 20 January 2020, 15:14
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Uhh...how does...never mind.
I see where you are going with this. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply in traffic court.

All an officer has to say is that he has a "visual estimation" from his "training and experience" that you were going over the speed limit.

in my state the most common tickets are "clocking" tickets - where the officer holds a constant distance behind your vehicle while watching his speedo - and writes that down as your speed.

Matching someones speed perfectly, in traffic, at night, in the rain, with several cars in the way, sure sounds scientific. Never mind the fact that those speedo's are never calibrated after they leave the factory, and changing tires and wheel size can throw them off significantly, never mind the fact that accidents can throw them off, never mind we have a case on point that says when challenged, the officer must bring in documents proving the speed measuring device has been recently calibrated - and they never do when its a clocking ticket (the manufacture calibrated the speedo! why should we have too)

anyway, glad to hear you got the most important parts dismissed (the points). The rest is a wash.

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Old 20 January 2020, 15:15
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I think the inference was that it's interesting that you had to prove that you weren't speeding...i.e. having to prove your innocence. Seems a little backwards since they couldn't prove it was you that was speeding...
Gotcha... My language should have been more precise.

The solicitor was cool, cracking jokes, as I noticed seemed to be his pattern in dealing with folks. It really soothed a lot of people.

I wasn't an ass, he wasn't an ass, we had a few laughs over the process, and because he did enjoy giving it to a trooper with a bad rep a little...

Excuse the levity. I wasn't trying to skate big boy rules for speeding, but I damn sure wasn't in the super speeder category.
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Old 20 January 2020, 15:16
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I think the inference was that it's interesting that you had to prove that you weren't speeding...i.e. having to prove your innocence. Seems a little backwards since they couldn't prove it was you that was speeding...
You beat me to it.

see my response above. I've proven the Officer didn't follow the law with their speed measuring equipment and that the municipality didn't follow the law with their speed limit sign (both instances supposed to result in ticket being dismissed) and the judge has found my client guilty and threatened me with a contempt of court charge.

Thankfully, if you have the time and money there is a level after the judge (usually goes magistrate -> judge -> three judge panel) and they actually follow the law.

but it costs like $300 and you have to write a brief
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Old 20 January 2020, 16:23
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Yeah, you guys picked up on what I was getting at. Weird situation
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