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Old 2 December 2019, 13:21
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A good example, in my home town, of how things should be done:

http://www.subaru-sia.com/environment

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RbdLdobNKk0
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Old 2 December 2019, 13:23
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I'll see if I can find a press release.

PM sent.
To inform the thread, what I'll say is that we are not talking about an American company here.

This specific company, in particular where it's headquartered in a very unique place, there may be some significant tax implications for buying carbon offsets.
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Old 2 December 2019, 13:24
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To inform the thread, what I'll say is that we are not talking about an American company here.

This particular company, in particular where it's headquartered in a very unique place, there may be some significant tax implications for buying carbon offsets.
True, but they have a worldwide footprint.
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Old 2 December 2019, 14:42
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Such a huge talking point for these maniacs , this climate change, global warming and the cataclysmic end of the globe in the offing~ just make littering a felony and make it stick!

It is not just Corporations going extreme double black diamond, but these liberal cities making absurd new laws. Milwaukee, recently I saw on the news enacted or is enacting a law whereby plastic straws are illegal in certain places, but you can request them in certain instances, say if you need to suck down a malted or what have you. Unfreaking believable!
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Old 2 December 2019, 14:47
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The phrase is called Corporate Social Responsibility. Many major corporations are heading in that direction like Northrop Grumman and it's subsidiaries(Orbital ATK). I did a company analysis on Orbital ATK in Grad School. Whether it's lip service or not is to be determined.

https://www.northropgrumman.com/Corp...s/default.aspx
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Old 2 December 2019, 14:55
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In the company I work for, the past "SHE" (Safety, Health & Environmental) was a bit of a lefty. He, and therefore the company, pursued a greener program. It didn't hurt us.

We do a lot of business with various governments (city/state/nat'l/internat'l), and the contracts are often stuffed with all kinds of bureaucratic wokeness about the SJW cause du jour (read: "non-business or product performance related"). Not meeting those requirements means that business is either off-limits to us or puts us at a competitive disadvantage. So for us, it's a necessary portion of getting the business, even if all that green-effort is never seen or known by the consumer/end-user. I don't think we advertise it, and I've never talked to an end-user who had any interest in anything other than product performance, safety, or price.

Very little (if any at all... I can't think of any) of the wokeness has any sort of affect on product performance. It just ends up being "check the box" finger-drills by a specific gov't inspector.
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Old 2 December 2019, 15:04
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We recently had a our Division director stop by the office. One of the many things he spoke about, and kept coming back to, was ESG - what Gdvir was speaking about.

He mention that there's a lot of European Pension funds that were looking for ESG ratings on companies and that they (management) wanted to start including this stuff on our reports.

My slight push back was:

"With negative interest rates, flat or negative GDP growth and an unsustainable age demographic environment in Europe, should these funds have other prioritizes?"

His answer was yes but, the extremely low rates probably weren't going anywhere and there wasn't any reason for us not to market there.

It's just making money off other people's backwards prioritizes.
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Old 2 December 2019, 15:41
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Old 2 December 2019, 17:16
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...to drop the whole “climate change” narrative/buzz words.
Those buzzwords, much like the phrase "War on Drugs" generate a lot of money. The divisiveness of the words keep the subject relevant and keep the funds and donations coming in. If they were serious about fixing things, they would do like you said and just do them, but they won't.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:24
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My position/advice has always been for corporations/ companies and even conservation/environmental groups (some that I worked for) was to drop the whole “climate change” narrative/buzz words. As it is divisive, confusing. Though that seems to be the current bandwagon terminology/call to action many jump on.

Instead focus on the areas all can agree on: clean water, clean air, sustainable forestry management, wildlife conservation, reducing waste and pollutants. Sustainability. And of course the up side is, whether you agree with “climatic change brought on by anthropogenic carbon emission” or not , taking care of the before mentioned environmental concerns would positively reduce any negatives.
Sounds like a logical and a reasonable approach to me.

In other news, the North Pole is without ice:

FAIRBANKS - Blame the Grinch or Mother Nature, but the annual “Christmas in Ice” sculpture park won’t open this year in North Pole because of a lack of ice.

Executive Director Keith Fye tells the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner it's the first cancellation since the event started 14 years ago in the city where Christmas is celebrated year-round and city light poles are decorated like candy canes.

The ice park is next to the Santa Claus House gift shop in North Pole, 14 miles southeast of Fairbanks. The park normally operates through December and features Yule-themed ice sculptures.

Fye said there isn't enough ice on ponds to harvest for ice carving.

The lack of ice on lakes and ponds follows a warm October in Alaska's interior. It was further exacerbated by snowfall, which hampers the formation of ice.

North Pole has been almost 8 degrees warmer than normal, said Rick Thoman, a climate specialist at the International Arctic Research Center in Fairbanks. Even warmer temperatures were recorded last year and in 2013.

The low temperature in October at North Pole this year was 14 degrees, the highest October minimum temperature in the 50 years of record-keeping in North Pole, he said.

"The warm oceans and the lack of sea ice are contributing an immense amount of heat to the atmosphere regionally, and so it's no surprise that we had a warm October," he said.

As soon as temperatures dropped and it was cold enough to form ice, then snow fell. That slowed down the formation of ice.

"Is it caused by climate change? No," Thoman said. "Is this another one of a series of warm winters in Alaska that are part of our changing climate? You bet."

North Pole Community Chamber of Commerce director Marlene Fogarty-Phillips says the event attracted carvers from around the world.
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Old 2 December 2019, 19:53
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Corporations, generally speaking, have clients.

If those clients, for whatever reason, have stipulations that corporations they do business with, have demonstratable policies on climate change, social responsibility, LGBQTXHSW, etc, then it's usually automatic that corporations will then create those required policies, or lose the business.

Logic and reality are somewhat irrelevant when you want to bring on / keep a client.

(Don't support it - I hated that shit - But that's the business world)
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Old 2 December 2019, 22:57
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The phrase is called Corporate Social Responsibility. Many major corporations are heading in that direction...snip
This. Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) is all the rage these days. It's not enough for companies to just not be dickheads about stuff. They are now obligated to sacrifice shareholder profits in the effort to kiss everyone's ass.
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This. Corporate Social Responsibility (CSR) is all the rage these days. It's not enough for companies to just not be dickheads about stuff. They are now obligated to sacrifice shareholder profits in the effort to kiss everyone's ass.
That isnt necessarily always the case (or even often)...

There are NUMEROUS studies out there that demonstrate how CSR actually increases margins.. through consumer/customer loyalty.. through improved employee performance.. through reduced employee turnover.. through improved employee "engagement", etc..etc..

and there are NUMEROUS motivations for companies (not just traded firms that have shareholders) to participate in CSR.... some very tangible.. others a bit more fuzzy... and difficult to define..

I'll give you a personal example/experience..

My company invested both money and employee hours in charitable community related projects all around Juba, South Sudan for a couple of years while we were working there.. We provided fresh water at a local school.. we paid teacher salaries at the same school.. (among other things)... Our employees visited the kids at school a couple of times a month and took them school supplies.. and took them soccer balls.. etc.. and just hung out with them and helped them with whatever they needed for the day..

As a result, the local people loved us.. we never had a problem sourcing local labor worth hiring (a huge challenge in South Sudan).. we never had a problem getting support from the local government when we needed a hand with something.. we also won quite a bit of favor with the US government personnel we worked with.. they understood we werent just another group of money grubbing asshole contractors.. we actually cared about the community we were working in and did good shit.. rather than being like many other "contractor" companies that were largely there just to make money and go home..

when the civil war kicked off in 2013.. guess who had NO problems from the locals? guess who got their people expedited through the airport and sat in the VIP lounge (not that there is much of one in Juba) during out exfil? Guess who continued to be fed information for months while the team was working in a neighboring country waiting for the shooting to slow down a bit? Guess who when they returned months later found ALL OF THEIR SHIT still where it was left and not stolen?

Many other companies had it quite a bit rougher than we did..

Special Forces have been "winning the hearts and minds" and using that capability as a force multiplier since the regiments inception.

CSR isnt a whole lot different.. its in principle much the same.. and often has similar motivations..
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Old 2 December 2019, 23:59
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That isnt necessarily always the case (or even often)...

There are NUMEROUS studies out there that demonstrate how CSR actually increases margins.. through consumer/customer loyalty.. through improved employee performance.. through reduced employee turnover.. through improved employee "engagement", etc..etc..

and there are NUMEROUS motivations for companies (not just traded firms that have shareholders) to participate in CSR.... some very tangible.. others a bit more fuzzy... and difficult to define..

I'll give you a personal example/experience..

My company invested both money and employee hours in charitable community related projects all around Juba, South Sudan for a couple of years while we were working there.. We provided fresh water at a local school.. we paid teacher salaries at the same school.. (among other things)... Our employees visited the kids at school a couple of times a month and took them school supplies.. and took them soccer balls.. etc.. and just hung out with them and helped them with whatever they needed for the day..

As a result, the local people loved us.. we never had a problem sourcing local labor worth hiring (a huge challenge in South Sudan).. we never had a problem getting support from the local government when we needed a hand with something.. we also won quite a bit of favor with the US government personnel we worked with.. they understood we werent just another group of money grubbing asshole contractors.. we actually cared about the community we were working in and did good shit.. rather than being like many other "contractor" companies that were largely there just to make money and go home..

when the civil war kicked off in 2013.. guess who had NO problems from the locals? guess who got their people expedited through the airport and sat in the VIP lounge (not that there is much of one in Juba) during out exfil? Guess who continued to be fed information for months while the team was working in a neighboring country waiting for the shooting to slow down a bit? Guess who when they returned months later found ALL OF THEIR SHIT still where it was left and not stolen?

Many other companies had it quite a bit rougher than we did..

Special Forces have been "winning the hearts and minds" and using that capability as a force multiplier since the regiments inception.

CSR isnt a whole lot different.. its in principle much the same.. and often has similar motivations..
Agree. It makes sense in a lot of cases, and often it's just "the right thing to do", so when a company chooses to do so, good on them. The choosing to do so is the key. Nobody forced them to, they just did it of their own accord.

I was commenting more on the mindset of the younger generation who don't think that companies not being bad is enough, but rather companies must go out of their way - and yes, sacrifice shareholder profits - to "do good" (which is whatever THEY say it is, normally the cause of the week). It's a subtle distinction, but when you hear it every day from them, along with all their opinions on other stuff (that put their thoughts on CSR into context), it's ridiculous.

They're a bunch of socialist little pricks who, if ever given the power to do so, would seize every business and try to control every aspect of everyone's lives. They are the most authoritarian fuckers I've ever been around. I hear it all day, every day.
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We are in rabid agreement on the millennials..

Just yesterday while at a Christmas festival I heard no less than 3 different groups talking while wandering around the various vendor and crafts booths waxing poetic about how they only support companies with “causes” or only want to buy from companies that can prove they support a clean environment, etc... Except... “prices are too high! I can’t afford that shit! I work at Barnes and Noble! They don’t pay!”

I was tempted to throat punch about half those little bastards...
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Should take those millennials on a tour of a open pit mine where they mine the silica, the limestone, the clay and the iron ore to make cement clinkers , the cement clinkers which are then ground and mixed with ground gypsum , which is then mixed with water, sand and gravel to make concrete....the concrete they are walking on in their little craft fair!
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I was tempted to throat punch about half those little bastards...
Is that not an accepted version of social responsibility?
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100's of thousands of years of evolution was needed for the human species to have survived "Many" climate change scenarios and they all survived because of one thing. They saw and felt the changes then adapted and moved on to better areas for their existence. Not a hard concept to understand unless you try and stay put and fight the weather.

We laugh and call early humans ignorant because they used stones as tools but at least they knew to leave a place if the climate didn't support their growth and well being.

Climate change is happening but how and why is disputed. We should be thinking how to adapt to its benefits and not figuring out how to live on a beach. With the world population increasing dramatically and already having a food shortage problem around the world, it will only get worse and could cause a health crisis of epic proportions for everyone.

Seems to me that more arable lands might be uncovered and used to feed the masses, just a thought.
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Old 3 December 2019, 10:02
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Much of the world has reached the point where the areas of dense population exceed the agricultural capacity of those geographical areas. These areas depend on massive importation of agricultural products from areas where the population is much less than the capacity of the land. This all works as long as the supply chain is stable. The climate changers are harping on how terrible farming and meat production are for the planet, while they stuff their fat faces with food. Stop the trucks, stop the planes and trains. Let's get "back to nature", in fucking NYC or Boston. If the cost of our burger goes to $25 a pound, either the gov't or the producers should cover that cost. It's all madness.

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Sounds like a logical and a reasonable approach to me.

In other news, the North Pole is without ice:

FAIRBANKS - Blame the Grinch or Mother Nature, but the annual “Christmas in Ice” sculpture park won’t open this year in North Pole because of a lack of ice.

Executive Director Keith Fye tells the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner it's the first cancellation since the event started 14 years ago in the city where Christmas is celebrated year-round and city light poles are decorated like candy canes.

The ice park is next to the Santa Claus House gift shop in North Pole, 14 miles southeast of Fairbanks. The park normally operates through December and features Yule-themed ice sculptures.

Fye said there isn't enough ice on ponds to harvest for ice carving.

The lack of ice on lakes and ponds follows a warm October in Alaska's interior. It was further exacerbated by snowfall, which hampers the formation of ice.

North Pole has been almost 8 degrees warmer than normal, said Rick Thoman, a climate specialist at the International Arctic Research Center in Fairbanks. Even warmer temperatures were recorded last year and in 2013.

The low temperature in October at North Pole this year was 14 degrees, the highest October minimum temperature in the 50 years of record-keeping in North Pole, he said.

"The warm oceans and the lack of sea ice are contributing an immense amount of heat to the atmosphere regionally, and so it's no surprise that we had a warm October," he said.

As soon as temperatures dropped and it was cold enough to form ice, then snow fell. That slowed down the formation of ice.

"Is it caused by climate change? No," Thoman said. "Is this another one of a series of warm winters in Alaska that are part of our changing climate? You bet."

North Pole Community Chamber of Commerce director Marlene Fogarty-Phillips says the event attracted carvers from around the world.
Is this reason for alarm or just a warm winter? Bad for tourism? probably. We have had the answer to cities being flooded since Archimedes and his pesky principle. It will never happen. I shows how painfully ignorant climate changers are or, the extent to which they will lie to be first in line to buy and trade carbon credits.
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