SOCNET

Go Back   SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network > General Topics > Weapons

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #81  
Old 17 April 2019, 14:29
nadnklipsch's Avatar
nadnklipsch nadnklipsch is offline
Boot For Life
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 184
Glad I came across this thread. I picked up an Aimpoint PRO last night and I have never used a red dot of any kind before. All of my AR experience has been with iron sights, an RCO, or the Vortex Strike Eagle. Any suggestions besides the 10/50 yard zero for mounting it? I've seem some guys online talk about locktighting the allen screws but that's not something I want to do unless it's a necessity. This is my go to home gun / range toy and I'll probably be taking a course with it this summer.
Reply With Quote
  #82  
Old 17 April 2019, 15:19
Polypro's Avatar
Polypro Polypro is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: A Noisy Bar In Avalon
Posts: 14,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by nadnklipsch View Post
I've seem some guys online talk about locktighting the allen screws but that's not something I want to do unless it's a necessity. This is my go to home gun / range toy and I'll probably be taking a course with it this summer.
Other than making sure its all the way forward in the slot when you tighten it - not much else.

I use Vibra-Tite VC-3 on everything. It's re-screwable, stays pliable.
__________________
"The eight year assault, on your 2nd Amendment rights, is over!"
Reply With Quote
  #83  
Old 17 April 2019, 15:58
leopardprey's Avatar
leopardprey leopardprey is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 15,146
Make sure use blue locktite, not red.
__________________
"Look Sharp, Act Sharp, Be Sharp - But don't cut yourself!"
Reply With Quote
  #84  
Old 19 April 2019, 08:42
Shark0311 Shark0311 is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: IL
Posts: 942
Quote:
Originally Posted by nadnklipsch View Post
I've seem some guys online talk about locktighting the allen screws but that's not something I want to do unless it's a necessity. This is my go to home gun / range toy and I'll probably be taking a course with it this summer.
Thread locker such as Blue loc-tite or Poly's recommendation is useful. I keep a small bottle of blue loc-tite in my range bag for grip screws, optics etc. After 300-500 rounds things tend to loosen up without it.

You may want to invest in a small in-lbs torque wrench as well e.g. Borka Tools Multi Torque Driver though any adjustable in-lbs wrench will do.
Reply With Quote
  #85  
Old 25 January 2020, 18:28
leopardprey's Avatar
leopardprey leopardprey is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 15,146
Just fixed up one of my ARs (Colt Socom m4a1) with carry handle rear sight this way. Is the 6/3 marking drum.

Take a 1/16th hex key and turn the small screw located in the hole on the top of the carry handle three full turns loose. Then I turned the bottom dial of the elevation drum 4 clicks clockwise. Now retighten the screw. Turn the drum now to the 6/3 marking. This is your 25 meters and 300 meter mark. Zero your carbine. Then turn the elevation drum 4 clicks counterclockwise (should stop), you now have a 50 yard zero.

This will be good for 25 - 250 meters. If have to take a shot at 300 meters, click back to the 6/3 position. Click 6 times further to the number 4 for 400 meters, number 5 for 500 meters, and one full riatoon back to 6/3 for 600 meters.


Remember if switching to the large aperture will hit about 2” low. So to eliminate that I just ordered a same plane aperture from XS systems to swap out on the aperture of my handle sight.

If using a 20” barrel A2 or A4 rifle, do the same as above, but you only do two clicks clockwise to adjust, and two clicks counter clockwise to go to 50m zero.


May make it a 100 meter zero instead. Do the same as above but turn the lower wheel of the drum 6 clicks clockwise to set instead of 4.

One thing I like about the 100 meter zero is you don’t really have to compensate until get out to around 200m. And you are always holding over which is easier to remember.


Another thing I have noticed on another AR I own (set up with an Eotech, and Troy flip up rear sight/fixed front sight) , as my right eye is not doing well - slight astigmatism even with corrective glasses and getting a bit of a cataract in my right eye, is that my Eotech center red dot is a bit dual/fuzzy. But if I look through the peep hole (Troy flip up sight, which Btw Have same plane aperture) the red dot/circle of the Eotech is now crisp and clean.
__________________
"Look Sharp, Act Sharp, Be Sharp - But don't cut yourself!"

Last edited by leopardprey; 25 January 2020 at 18:34.
Reply With Quote
  #86  
Old 26 January 2020, 00:20
1RiserSlip's Avatar
1RiserSlip 1RiserSlip is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Po Dunk, WV
Posts: 7,777
There may be a name for it, I don’t know. I don’t long range shoot. Mostly deer size game almost always within 100 yds.

With a rifle from a bench rest I shoot a Copenhagen can lid aiming center mass at 100 yds. I hit high right, I adjust the sights while looking through the scope on the rest to the previous hit.

Go cold barrel, verify shot adjustment . Shoot a group of three. Done. 100 yard zero. Ain’t gotta figure out a bunch of damn clicks.
Reply With Quote
  #87  
Old 26 January 2020, 08:52
Gray Rhyno's Avatar
Gray Rhyno Gray Rhyno is offline
Authorized Personnel
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NoVa
Posts: 10,540
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1RiserSlip View Post
I shoot a Copenhagen can lid aiming center mass at 100 yds.
Aiming at a Cope can? You hunting deer or jarheads?
__________________
"The most HSLD stuff ever taught was the basics. So-called 'advanced training' is often no more than the very fluid and expert application of those basic skills." - SOTB
Reply With Quote
  #88  
Old 26 January 2020, 09:04
Hot Mess's Avatar
Hot Mess Hot Mess is offline
In Vino Veritas
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Where you vacation
Posts: 11,664
200m zero and hit within a few inches from 0-200m. Seems like a no brained for me with an AR platform in 5.56. Unless youíre in AFG and need a 300m zero...
__________________
Come on boys, you got to do it right, pray to the moon in the middle of the night
Reply With Quote
  #89  
Old 26 January 2020, 10:48
KS11's Avatar
KS11 KS11 is online now
Reverse Apache Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Here and There
Posts: 2,863
Calculate and zero for Max Point Blank Range (MPBR) and then figure out holds/clicks for anything outside of that. Easy peasy.

From 0 to MPBR, hold center and hit within 3-4" high or low. Outside of that, adjust.
__________________
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. --Dwight D. Eisenhower

Giving the enemy a boner is half the battle. --Jungle Recon
Reply With Quote
  #90  
Old 26 January 2020, 11:50
1RiserSlip's Avatar
1RiserSlip 1RiserSlip is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Po Dunk, WV
Posts: 7,777
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gray Rhyno View Post
Aiming at a Cope can? You hunting deer or jarheads?
Anything smaller than a Copenhagen can. We don't waste jars or jar accessories.
__________________
RLTW
Reply With Quote
  #91  
Old 26 January 2020, 13:42
Gray Rhyno's Avatar
Gray Rhyno Gray Rhyno is offline
Authorized Personnel
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NoVa
Posts: 10,540
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1RiserSlip View Post
Anything smaller than a Copenhagen can. We don't waste jars or jar accessories.
LOL
__________________
"The most HSLD stuff ever taught was the basics. So-called 'advanced training' is often no more than the very fluid and expert application of those basic skills." - SOTB
Reply With Quote
  #92  
Old 26 January 2020, 14:44
Polypro's Avatar
Polypro Polypro is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: A Noisy Bar In Avalon
Posts: 14,508
Quote:
Originally Posted by KS11 View Post
Calculate and zero for Max Point Blank Range (MPBR) and then figure out holds/clicks for anything outside of that. Easy peasy.

From 0 to MPBR, hold center and hit within 3-4" high or low. Outside of that, adjust.
Yea, MPBR calculators are cool for sure. I can't help it - I need all the nerd stuff - I like inputting Height Over Bore, Muzzle Velocity, and Ballistic Coefficient, and inputting all the ranges, looking for the lowest deviation...so basically, MPBR The Hard Way
__________________
"The eight year assault, on your 2nd Amendment rights, is over!"
Reply With Quote
  #93  
Old 27 January 2020, 00:35
The Fat Guy's Avatar
The Fat Guy The Fat Guy is offline
Hard to Kill
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Getting off the lawn.
Posts: 15,422
How do you guys zero pistol caliber carbines (or AR Pistols in PCC)
__________________
No one will take better care of us, than us: Suicide Hotline: 1-800-273-8255
Reply With Quote
  #94  
Old 27 January 2020, 01:53
275RLTW's Avatar
275RLTW 275RLTW is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: CO
Posts: 724
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fat Guy View Post
How do you guys zero pistol caliber carbines (or AR Pistols in PCC)
25yds. Thatís about the furhest Iím going to shoot fast without putting much thought into it. This gives me POA=POI for 7-35(ish) yds. Closer than 7 is same offset as rifle so no change. Beyond 35 requires a moments pause anyways for headshots or high center A box hold out to about 60.
Reply With Quote
  #95  
Old 27 January 2020, 06:13
glockcqc glockcqc is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,096
PCC

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fat Guy View Post
How do you guys zero pistol caliber carbines (or AR Pistols in PCC)
I'm using a 100yd zero, for my PS90.

W/a 4 1/2" boreline/optic offset. That zero keeps things much less complex.

Good shooting
__________________
"By trial and error and correction do we learn - not by theory and arguement." Ed McGivern
Reply With Quote
  #96  
Old 27 January 2020, 06:30
leopardprey's Avatar
leopardprey leopardprey is offline
Been There Done That
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Indiana
Posts: 15,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by glockcqc View Post
I'm using a 100yd zero, for my PS90.

W/a 4 1/2" boreline/optic offset. That zero keeps things much less complex.

Good shooting
How do you like that? One of the things that puts me off from the ps90 is the high boreline. Even higher than the Tavor . One of the faults of the Tavor - made as a CQB weapon, but bore line is 3.6”, a 75m zero Same as 50 m zero with AR.
90
Other than the boreline issue, and cost of ammo, the ps90 is one of the coolest/fun guns I have shot.
__________________
"Look Sharp, Act Sharp, Be Sharp - But don't cut yourself!"
Reply With Quote
  #97  
Old 28 January 2020, 05:02
glockcqc glockcqc is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Columbia, SC
Posts: 1,096
PS90 Zero

Quote:
Originally Posted by leopardprey View Post
How do you like that? One of the things that puts me off from the ps90 is the high boreline. Even higher than the Tavor . One of the faults of the Tavor - made as a CQB weapon, but bore line is 3.6Ē, a 75m zero Same as 50 m zero with AR.
90
Other than the boreline issue, and cost of ammo, the ps90 is one of the coolest/fun guns I have shot.
I am VERY comfortable w/it...Hahaha

Good shooting
__________________
"By trial and error and correction do we learn - not by theory and arguement." Ed McGivern
Reply With Quote
  #98  
Old 28 January 2020, 19:35
Nimja's Avatar
Nimja Nimja is offline
Not a ninja...
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: NC
Posts: 717
If you want to get into Ballistics programs, they can be downloaded for free. Mine for the advanced version was $19.99. I spent $100 on a Caldwell Chrono. Once you know the bullet and your speed the rest is easy. The Ballistic App will also pull temp conditions and elevation for my location. Yes, there are better options out there, for more money, but this does most of it, and I have successfully and repeatedly shot a long way with it.

For Zero?
Precision rifle.. 100 yds. Less environmental impact to trajectory. Everything else is dialed.
AR Rifle.. either 100 or 200yds. Both have merit.
AR Pistol.. 100 yds. Bullet rises until it meets the line of sight at 100 yds, then falls.
Hunting rifle.. 200 yds. 1.5" high at 100 yds, makes an easy shot when ranges are "close". And just a bit of hold over, when "further out". (Or use a range finder.)
.22LR Rifle.. I like 75yds. Though can be ammo dependent.
Pistol Caliber Carbine? Hmm.. I'd have to play with the trajectory to see. I'd want to know what it does in the off case I want to shoot something further than normal.

Point Blank Range, does get used incorrectly. Really you have to know the intended target size. So let's say it's an 8" vital. You want your bullet no higher than 4" above the Line of sight, and at the yardage the bullet falls 4" below the line of sight, that's your Max Point Blank Range. I would use 3" though instead of 4", because you'd have to have a dead on hold to keep it in the vital area. IE, give yourself some margin.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Our new posting rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:45.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Socnet.com All Rights Reserved
© SOCNET 1996-2018