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Old 17 January 2019, 10:39
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Guns are just so.... impersonal

Murdering an innocent person shouldn't be treated as a random impersonal event. It should be a very deliberate, very personal, and very intimate application of violence.
You could murder someone in a crowded room with a knife and some people wouldn't even know a crime had been committed.

Besides - murder is a personal thing - not everyone needs to a part of the event. Let the dancers dance and the drinkers drink and the chatters chat.

Meanwhile, you can be over in the dark corner - just the two of you - sharing the experience together - without a bunch of distractions.

Shoot one person in a crowded room and suddenly you are surrounded by chaos. People screaming and yelling and panicking - people that have no right getting involved in your business are now injecting chaos into what started out as a very personal interaction.

Then there is the cleanup - not only do you have to provide medical care to all of the unintended victims - there are things most people are too selfish to even consider.
-Somebody has to pick up all of the spent brass.
-Somebody has to fix holes in the walls produced by bullet over-penetration
-People that didn't get shot probably have hearing deficits from the loud noise.
-Emotional distress is going to force some of the bystanders into counseling and therapy.

So much hassle just because there was ONE person that drove you to violence. Stab that one person and move on. Stab them TWICE
THREE TIMES
...maybe you just CUT them real bad to make a point


In fact - it doesn't even have to be a knife. You could use an ice pick. You could use a screw driver (flat head or phillips - stabber preference). You could just use a sharp stick or a toothbrush handle that you sharpened to a point on the floor of your garage!!!
Hell, Karl Childers used a kaiser blade and a lawnmower blade with pretty good results - and YOU could too !!!

Either way - stabbing crimes are a much better option than gun crime. I think might be one of the UK's best governing decisions since Cornwallis surrendered at Yorktown.


Turn in your guns folks - knife crime is the way of the future. Besides - once the liberals finish taking over government it will be easier to beat your sword into a plowshare than it will be to beat your semi-automatic-assault-weapon into a plow share.
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Old 12 February 2019, 11:39
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Mark Kelly filling a Republican seat. I wonder what's at the top of his agenda.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ret...ll-mccain-seat
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Old 12 February 2019, 13:02
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Mark Kelly filling a Republican seat. I wonder what's at the top of his agenda.


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ret...ll-mccain-seat
Thats bad news. Whether he wins the election or not, all he really needs to do is prevent a pro gun republican from winning for it to be a win for his gun control agenda. Hopefully people in arizona are smart enough to realize that he is not on their side.
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Old 12 February 2019, 16:52
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Yes - he could make Sarah Brady's efforts look pedestrian.
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Old 13 February 2019, 10:12
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I love when former Mil people, who swore an oath to support and defend the Bill of Rights (yeah, it says Constitution, but nobody's defending crap like 2 Senators per State, or 2 consecutive, 4 year terms...it's speech, guns, searches, etc... = Bill of Rights), want to circumvent the process (Constitutional Amendment) with nickle and dime BS "laws". But ah well, we all knew complete and utter f'n morons that wore the uniform.
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Old 13 February 2019, 13:16
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Veteran status is like a “attaboy” to me. Initially it gives someone I meet a notch up on someone who’s not a vet.

We’ve all heard it said that one “aw, shit” cancels ten thousand “attaboys.” An anti-2A stance is an “aw-shit” in my book.

I think it’s safe to say any elected veteran taking a stance against 2A does indeed cancel his attaboy for ten thousand other veterans. The problem is, veterans are a small minority of the population, so he won’t give a shit about his “aw-shit.”
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Old 13 February 2019, 18:49
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What makes it even worse is liberals will cite some guy who made a career out of fucking up peoples pay as some weapons expert(if hes anti 2A) simply because he was in the military, even though he doesnt know shit about guns. Then you're left with "even the people in the military think civilians shouldnt own these guns".
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Old 14 February 2019, 04:58
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We’ve all heard it said that one “aw, shit” cancels ten thousand “attaboys.” An anti-2A stance is an “aw-shit” in my book.
Excellent perspective.
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Old 14 February 2019, 16:49
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What makes it even worse is liberals will cite some guy who made a career out of fucking up peoples pay as some weapons expert(if hes anti 2A) simply because he was in the military, even though he doesnt know shit about guns. Then you're left with "even the people in the military think civilians shouldnt own these guns".
Easy counter: "Well no shit, the Red Coats didn't want civilians owning guns either".

People can't grasp the reality that if shit goes side-ways, the Military and Cops that stay with the dictator, are the enemy targets. In 177x, British citizens were killing British soldiers ---> "minds blown"
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Old 14 February 2019, 17:31
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Easy counter: "Well no shit, the Red Coats didn't want civilians owning guns either".

People can't grasp the reality that if shit goes side-ways, the Military and Cops that stay with the dictator, are the enemy targets. In 177x, British citizens were killing British soldiers ---> "minds blown"
You and DD are very different people, but I sometimes wonder of the two of you are subconsciously in an ongoing contest to see which can get themselves added to the most watch lists.
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Old 14 February 2019, 17:42
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You and DD are very different people, but I sometimes wonder of the two of you are subconsciously in an ongoing contest to see which can get themselves added to the most watch lists.
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Old 14 February 2019, 18:33
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Well my Constitutional Carry State wants everyone armed. A bill is in the house now giving all EMS, Firefighters and such the option to carry with a training course.

https://www.wvnstv.com/local-news/ra...rse/1776326745
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Old 14 February 2019, 18:54
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Well my Constitutional Carry State wants everyone armed. A bill is in the house now giving all EMS, Firefighters and such the option to carry with a training course.

https://www.wvnstv.com/local-news/ra...rse/1776326745
As a former firefighter, I don't think this is really a good idea. I can see some problems with this.
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Old 14 February 2019, 19:13
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As a former firefighter, I don't think this is really a good idea. I can see some problems with this.
I can see your point. Sometimes these guys get there before LE. Some firefighters have been shot or shot at. Other EMS too.
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Old 14 February 2019, 19:52
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As a former firefighter, I don't think this is really a good idea. I can see some problems with this.
Me too. Where do they put the firearms when they need to go fight a fire? I think having at least one well qualified officer who will be in Command status (not fighting fire at all) should be armed. I think some states still issue the Fire Marshall a firearm, since they are technically quasi-law enforcement.
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Old 14 February 2019, 20:05
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That would be a nightmare of an investigation when LE is having to do a Fireman-involved shooting as it relates to evidence.

All fire marshal's are LE positions in my state and are armed with arrest authority.
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Old 14 February 2019, 20:07
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Just put gun turrets, or better still something like CROW's on the trucks. The engineer is just standing about anyways, so he can do scene security. The shithole municipalities where this stuff is required already gold plate their trucks anyways, it's not even a big cost increase. S/F....Ken M
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Old 14 February 2019, 20:18
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I found that a Halligan tool or an axe was a good threat negator.

I am one of the most pro 2A people you will meet, but if I was fire chief for a local dept, I would not allow.

In our town, the inspectors are not armed. Now I can see the argument and justification for them being armed, and going through some firearms/LE credential training.

Usually in our town, if the call involves certain parts of the city, or depending on the incident, a LE patrol car was called to the scene anyway.

Firefighter/EMS personnel do not want, or shoukd not be perceived in any way as LE - which if they are creates problems.

I can see this causing more problems than solving.
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Old 14 February 2019, 20:29
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As a former firefighter, I don't think this is really a good idea. I can see some problems with this.
I wonder if the same thing was said when Police were given fire extinguishers and first aid kits?

We need to stop elevating the concept of possessing firearms into anything other than what it is - another tool in the toolbox to be used when the situation requires it.

Yes, they will require training, and some will refuse to carry/use it. I have no issues with that. But the more people carrying/using firearms lawfully, the more ingrained they become into society, and reduce their "guns are bad" status.

The more they are accepted, the more time and effort will be spent on proper education and use.

And the more polite and mature, and RESPONSIBLE, society as a whole, will become.
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Old 14 February 2019, 20:52
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Why are they arming EMS and fire? Self-defense? Arrest authority? If it says so, I missed it.
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I can see your point. Sometimes these guys get there before LE. Some firefighters have been shot or shot at. Other EMS too.
In both the big LA riots (65 and 92), they were shooting at firefighters responding to alarms or actively putting out fires. In both riots, it got to the point that some firefighters wouldn't respond without a police escort.
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In our town, the inspectors are not armed.
Inspectors or fire marshals? I've never seen a fire inspector armed, as they're preventative type guys. OTOH, I've never seen an unarmed unsworn fire marshal as they are active LE officers investigating crimes.
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