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Old 27 January 2013, 01:42
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Since all kinds of conspiracy theories have popped up in recent months in various threads, I thought I'd start one to comprehensively put them all in one place.

Regardless of what you think of the validity of them: what are some of your favorite theories?

Let me start with mine. It is kind of a dual one, and it involves the town that I spent my formative years in. It is the Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project.

Sometimes they are both mentioned separately, but in recent years they have been linked.

In a nutshell, supposedly in 1943 in a shipyard of Philadelphia, the U.S.S. Elderidge was turned invisible and/or shifted into another dimension or into a time warp, depending on the version of the story. This was done through the use of huge Tesla Coils and under the tutelage of Einstein. It was meant just as a means of cloaking ships from radar detection.

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The experiment was allegedly based on an aspect of the unified field theory, a term coined by Albert Einstein.[citation needed] The Unified Field Theory aims to describe mathematically and physically the interrelated nature of the forces that comprise electromagnetic radiation and gravity, in other words uniting the fields of electromagnetism and gravity into one field. Consequently, if light was bent, then space-time would be bent, effectively creating an invisible time machine. To date, no single theory is known to have successfully expressed these relationships in viable mathematical or physical terms.

According to the accounts, unspecifed 'researchers' thought that some version of this Unified Field Theory would enable a person to use large electrical generators to bend light around an object so that the object became completely invisible. The Navy would have regarded this as being of obvious military value, and by the accounts, it sponsored the experiment.

Another unattributed version of the story proposes that researchers were preparing magnetic and gravitational measurements of the seafloor to detect anomalies, supposedly based on Einstein's attempts to understand gravity. In this version there were also related secret experiments in Nazi Germany to find antigravity, allegedly led by SS-Obergruppenführer Hans Kammler.[citation needed]

There are no reliable, attributable accounts, however, in most accounts of the experiment, the destroyer escort USS Eldridge was fitted with the required equipment at the Philadelphia Naval Yard. Testing began in the summer of 1943, and it was supposedly successful to a limited degree. One test, on July 22, 1943, resulted in the Eldridge being rendered almost completely invisible, with some witnesses[citation needed] reporting a "greenish fog" appearing in its place. Crew members supposedly complained of severe nausea afterwards. Also, it is said[citation needed] that when the ship reappeared, some sailors were embedded in the metal structures of the ship, including one sailor who ended up on a deck level below that where he began, and had his hand embedded in the steel hull of the ship, as well as some sailors who went "completely bananas".[5] At that point, it is said[citation needed] that the experiment was altered at the request of the Navy, with the new objective being solely to render the Eldridge invisible to radar. None of these allegations has been independently substantiated.

The conjecture then alleges that the equipment was not properly re-calibrated, but in spite of this, the experiment was repeated on October 28, 1943. This time, the Eldridge not only became invisible, but she physically vanished from the area in a flash of blue light and teleported to Norfolk, Virginia, over 200 miles (320 km) away. It is claimed that the Eldridge sat for some time in full view of men aboard the ship SS Andrew Furuseth, whereupon the Eldridge vanished from their sight, and then reappeared in Philadelphia at the site it had originally occupied. It was also said that the warship went approximately 10 seconds back in time.[citation needed]

Many versions of the tale include descriptions of serious side effects for the crew. Some crew members were said to have been physically fused to bulkheads, while others suffered from mental disorders, and still others supposedly simply vanished. It is also claimed that the ship's crew may have been subjected to brainwashing, in order to maintain the secrecy of the experiment.
So, the plot thickens, and supposedly the ship was transported through time to the year 1983, 40 years later, off the coast of Montauk, Long Island, right by a remote Air Force base called Camp Hero that had been conducting a continuation of these experiments with the space/time continuum.

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Work was begun at Brookhaven National Laboratory on Long Island, New York under the name Phoenix Project, but it was soon realized that the project required a large radar dish, and installing one at Brookhaven would compromise the security of the project. Luckily, the U.S. Air Force had a decommissioned base at Montauk, New York, not far from Brookhaven, which had a complete Semi Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) radar installation. The site was large and remote (Montauk was not yet a tourist attraction) and water access would allow equipment to be moved in and out undetected.

Equipment was moved to Camp Hero at the Montauk base in the late 1960s, and installed in an underground bunker beneath the base. According to conspiracy theorists, to mask the nature of the project the site was closed in 1969 and donated as a wildlife refuge/park, with the provision that everything underground would remain the property of the Air Force (although, in reality, the base remained in operation until the 1980s). The park has never been opened to the public, under the excuse of environmental contamination. (See addendum below.)
Key parts of the original book

Experiments began in earnest in the early 1970s and during this time one, some or all of the following are claimed to have occurred at the site:

The facility was expanded to as many as twelve levels and several hundred workers, without anyone in the town noticing the tons of building materials or hundreds of workers required. Some reports have the facility extending under the town of Montauk itself.
Homeless people were abducted and subjected to huge amounts of electromagnetic radiation. Few survived.
People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air.
Stewart Swerdlow claims to have been involved in the Montauk Project, and as a result, he says, his "psionic" faculties were boosted, but at the cost of emotional instability, post-traumatic stress disorder, and other issues.

Experiments were conducted in teleportation.

A "porthole in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel".

Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".

An alien monster traveled through the time tunnel, destroyed equipment and devoured researchers. The tunnel was shut down and the creature destroyed.

Mind control experiments were conducted and runaway boys were abducted and brought out to the base where they underwent excruciating periods of both physical and mental torture in order to break their minds, then their minds were re-programmed. Many were supposedly killed during the process and buried on the site.

On or about on August 12, 1983 the time travel project at Camp Hero interlocked in hyperspace with the original Rainbow Project back in 1943. The USS Eldridge was drawn into hyperspace and trapped there. Two men, Al Bielek and Duncan Cameron both claim to have leaped from the deck of the Eldridge while it was in hyperspace and ended up after a period of severe disorientation at Camp Hero in the year 1983. Here they claim to have met John von Neumann, a famous physicist and mathematician, even though he was known to have died in 1957. Von Neumann had supposedly worked on the original Philadelphia Experiment, but the U.S. Navy denies this.

Staff from the Camp Hero site traveled to the USS Eldridge and shut down the generators, causing the ship to return to Philadelphia naval yard in 1943 and causing the time tunnel to collapse.

Metahumans and experiments in special serums to create such individuals were tested there.

After the experiments were completed or the destruction of the facility, depending on which story you read, the facility was closed for good, all the staff were brainwashed, shot or sworn to absolute secrecy, and all records destroyed. According to some stories, research continues at the site to this day with enhanced security.
So...obviously a very creative an interesting story with absolutely no basis in reality...but with a couple of interesting addendums.

You see, I grew up in East Hampton, of which Montauk is a remote hamlet of. We knew about this abandoned base though a close friend who actually lived on former base housing. He told us a tale about how one day in 1983 when we were all about 10 years old they paperer the neighborhood with leaflets saying to stay away from the place because of "exercises". He said they came in with helicopters and guys in black BDUs and un-assed the entire place within a day, set up a fence, and locked it down.

So when we got a little older and braver, we let this guy lead us to this base. We were about 14, all kitted up in BDUs, camo face paint, chem lights, BB guns and whatever else our allowances could handle at the local army/navy store. So we clipped the wire to the base and all tactical like snuck around, camping out in the abandoned barracks, eating the old MREs with the dehydrated pork patties. There were roving park police guarding the area, but they were pretty easy to evade.

We explored every fucking inch of that base- both above and below ground over a serious of about 2 years. As outrageous as the conspiracy theory is...here are a few strange observations:

Inside of the SAGE radar tower expensive equipment meant to provide early warning of Soviet bombers- the main facility on the post, I first was struck by the piles of half charred documents I found stacked in each room. Manuals and logs and weird chart graphs for all the equipment had been stacked like cordword and burned in the center of the floors of most rooms. All of the radar equipment was destroyed in place. The facility looked like what you'd think the Saigon embassy would have looked like before the choppers took everyone off the roof. Why would you trash an expensive AF installation like that during a hurried evacuation rather than just dismantle it piece by piece? What was the rush?

Also- many structures outside of this one had sustained enormous amounts of crushing type damage.

The bunker network in this place was simply fantastic. We'd explore for hours in the pitch darkness of these bunkers that went on for miles and down into the ground level after level. WE kept having to break through concrete barriers just to get into them, and then kept finding more and more freshly erected barriers along the way. The more we busted through, the more we found. Finally, we found entrances to the even lower levels. These were flooded with water. The eroding 200' blufs overlooking Turtles Cove (great surf spot) pulled back to reveal what looked like they were subterranean submarine pens.

I mean it's wild- we saw all kinds of freaky shit there. One kid died from touching a defunct generator, we were parked near the bluffs with some chicks looking to score and then some fucker in a black wet suit with a sack over his shoulder (drugs) pauses in our headlights, yells "Get those fucking lights off of me!" and then darts into the brush. In the middle of winter.

When we'd sneak around on the base we'd see non descript grey vans parked by telephone poles all over the area on our way out.

And then there was the totally badass UFO witnessed by an entire crowd at Billy Joels "Back at the Ranch" concert in 1991 which was 1 mile away from the base.

And we observed all of this before any "conspiracy" shit came out about it. We just thought it was a really freaky place where some bad shit had gone down. Then in 1991 I pick up this book called Montauk Project: Experiments in Time, and was like WTF? Some of it was cool, but one part shows a picture of a Marine Corps sticker on a barracks wall as evidence that Marine security teams were there in the 80's. My buddy Sean put that sticker there. LOL.

So, the place also implicated in the downing of TWA flight 800
, Swiss Air, and the RFK plane, all crashing in the vicinity thanks to a "energy ribbon" unleashed by the HAARP like experimentation with the ionosphere.

So- all in all- fun stuff. Crazy story- but some evidence of some strange goings on there.

Who else got one?
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Old 27 January 2013, 02:01
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I don't have one, but The Philadelphia Experiment was one of my favorite sci-fi movies when I was a kid.

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I don't have one, but The Philadelphia Experiment was one of my favorite sci-fi movies when I was a kid.

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Same here. Haven't seen it since I was young. After reading this thread I'm gonna see if I can find it.
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Same here. Haven't seen it since I was young. After reading this thread I'm gonna see if I can find it.
It's available on Netflix Instant.
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It's available on Netflix Instant.
Haven't heard about The Philadelphia Experiment,...but I'm gonna check it out on Netflix tonight. It sounds interesting.

I've never been one to get too sucked into conspiracy's although I have to admit they are kind of fun to think about.

The only 2 that I really ever tried to go out of my way to learn more about was the death of Kurt Cobain, and the fluoridation of our water supply. For me the jury is still out on Kurt, and the intent behind originally fluoridating our water is suspect.
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It's available on Netflix Instant.
I wish I could get Netflix over here. I hear you guys on here always talking about it. I think it recently became available in the UK. Maybe it'll make it down here to the southern Med eventually.

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One test, on July 22, 1943, resulted in the Eldridge being rendered almost completely invisible, with some witnesses[citation needed] reporting a "greenish fog" appearing in its place. Crew members supposedly complained of severe nausea afterwards. Also, it is said[citation needed] that when the ship reappeared, some sailors were embedded in the metal structures of the ship, including one sailor who ended up on a deck level below that where he began, and had his hand embedded in the steel hull of the ship, as well as some sailors who went "completely bananas".
Hallucinogens?

Referenced in Berlitz' 1977 book The Bermuda Triangle.


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I just like the ones that are 100% true. Of course, since they were proven, the fan boys just pull out the "that's no conspiracy, it's just the way things are done" excuse Only arrested criminals can be involved in conspiracies...never the USG

COINTELPRO, Tuskegee & Guatemala Syphilis, MK Ultra, Operation Northwoods, Project MINARET and SHAMROCK, NSA Warrant-less Surveillance (for those that want something new) etc...

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Haven't heard about The Philadelphia Experiment,...but I'm gonna check it out on Netflix tonight. It sounds interesting.
Don't bother. The movie is completely awful, and does no justice to the original legend. Better just to read one of the books about it.
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Cool story Mako, lends validity to the theory unless.........you're in on it too !!!

I had a friend of mine recount a strange occurrence while in Cape Code (just a stones throw for a UFO from Montauk as the crow flies).

They were on the beach one evening with some other family and couples and set up a bonfire about 400 yards from the nearest lifeguard stand.

As the night progressed, they would be absorbed in conversation and occasionally look up and notice that the lifeguard stand seemed to be getting closer. Nobody said anything about it at the time, but that everyone noticed it happening when they recounted the events of that night..

The coup de grace came a little later. With a clear sky and a calm sea, a very large red light, submerged, (USO?) appeared a few hundred yards off shore, moving slowly parallel to the beach. That got their attention real quick and the atmosphere around the campsite changed from jovial to wtf is going on??

He said the next thing they knew was that damn lifeguard chair was right next to them. All at once they all freaked and ran. Just dropped everything and didn't look back. Freaked. Them. Out!

Don't know how that fits into the whole 'time/space continuum' but they were still shook up about it 20 years later. Just a really weird event.

As I recall, there's been some strange events surrounding Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket as well. Isn't there a Presidential 'retreat' there?
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As I recall, there's been some strange events surrounding Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket as well. Isn't there a Presidential 'retreat' there?
That was a cool story. I guess "Occum's Razor" was that they were all just on acid.

IDK about Martha's Vineyard. Plum Island, which was an "animal disease research laboratory (ie, biological weapons lab)" is in the middle of Long Island sound, adjacent to the Hamptons.

Lots of strange shit happens in eastern L.I. It is a cancer cluster, and numerous people I grew up with died while I was in school and in the years since. We saw UFOs all the time there. I've seen a couple since leaving there, but nothing like out there.

Nikola Tesla conducted his experiments in Shorham, L.I., which is about halfway up the island.

Which brings me to another favorite legend- that the Tunguska Blast of 1908 was actually caused by Tesla's experiments in transference of tremendous amounts of energry through the atmosphere. Shorham is on the same line of Longitude as the detonation site....
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The OKC Bombing will always be one of my favorites. I moved to OKC in the spring of '94 after I left the 160th.

This is an excerpt from "30 unanswered Questions........OKC Bombing".
and one of my favorite finds on the conspiricy theory, and why it happened.

A blizzard of OKC-inspired "domestic terrorism" bills were rushed into Congress in a matter of days, some of them pre-written and already printed up BEFORE THE BOMBING. These proposed laws cover everything from banning virtually all privately owned firearms to unlimited and court-admissible Federal wiretaps to censorship of the Internet to the suspension of habeas corpus in "terrorism" cases to the grotesque destruction of the First Amendment advocated in Charles Schumer's bill H.R. 2580, which imposes a five-year prison sentence for publicly engaging in "unseemly speculation" and publishing or transmitting by wire or electronic means "baseless conspiracy theories regarding the Federal government of the United States". Who decides what is a "baseless conspiracy theory'? Why, the very same government, of course.

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I wish I could get Netflix over here. I hear you guys on here always talking about it. I think it recently became available in the UK. Maybe it'll make it down here to the southern Med eventually.

ETA: Maybe I could subscribe to a VPN and get it.
Sorry - didn't notice you're OCONUS. The VPN idea might work - I use privateinternetaccess.com; it has a plenty of CONUS-based servers (as well as OCONUS, in countries that won't cooperate with the US when it comes to snooping on your internet habits ) and a free trial period so that you could be sure it provides the capabilities for which you're looking.
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Don't bother. The movie is completely awful, and does no justice to the original legend. Better just to read one of the books about it.
I wondered about that when I looked it up - filmed in the 80s with a cast of relative nobodies. But it had 3.5 stars, same as Final Countdown.
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Personally, I've always been interested in the truth behind the JFK/RFK/MLK/Malcolm X assassinations...
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Personally, I've always been interested in the truth behind the JFK/RFK/MLK/Malcolm X assassinations...
I as well...also, Plum Island lies just south of Lyme, Connecticutt, the town where Lyme disease was first diagnosed.
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In 1991 I was given a copy of the "Cosmic Patriot Files" before it was ever put in book form. If you want your fill of conspiracies to include the Philadelphia Experiment/Montauk Project, then I suggest getting a copy. Put on the tin foil hat, magnetic shoes, and sit back with your favorite glass of Kool-aid and enjoy. The copy I got was left on my bunk and I never found out who put it there.
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Lot's of wacky shit has gone down in the Montauk area over the decades. Another case in point is the "Montauck Monster" -

http://www.montauk-monster.com/

The explanation is a washed up raccoon carcass. But there are skeptics to that claim. There have also been claims that this strange creature may have come from Plum Island. One story is that the monster was tracked down and killed by "14 year old kids, all kitted up in BDUs, camo face paint, chem lights, BB guns and whatever else their allowances could handle at the local army/navy store".

Hmmmm. The truth is out there.
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No particular reason, but I find that to be very cool....
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Don't bother. The movie is completely awful, and does no justice to the original legend. Better just to read one of the books about it.
Lies! If you're 13 years old and know nothing about the legend, that movie rocks!

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