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Old 3 July 2015, 10:01
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Are there any hobby blacksmiths here? Lately I've seen (and bought) some seriously sexy homemade knives made by folks who have real day jobs. I'm doing my google homework on the equipment, and have a notional "not to exceed" budget. If anyone here has experience they'd like to share, it'd be welcome.
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Might want to contact/PM Socnet member BadKarma. He makes pretty nice custom knives.
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Socnet member Dedub makes nice blades.

Google TCT knives.
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Old 3 July 2015, 13:57
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Are you going to do bladesmithing or stock removal? Bladeforums.com has all the information in the knifemakers section you will need and a lot you don't. Read all the WIP for step by step pictures from the best in the business showing you how it's done.
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TcT knives are excellent...also my good friend owns Half Face Blades(former SEAL) and has many selections of nice blades.

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I do some bladesmithing. I try to avoid knives, because I don't have the 2x72 grinder (that I'll build soon...). I do tomahawks. There's one in the knife thread here: http://socnet.com/showpost.php?p=105...&postcount=436.

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I served with a dude in The Legion that makes nice knives. His name is Kim Breed. I think he does it full time, though.
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I do some bladesmithing. I try to avoid knives, because I don't have the 2x72 grinder (that I'll build soon...). I do tomahawks. There's one in the knife thread here: http://socnet.com/showpost.php?p=105...&postcount=436.

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Very nice work on the Tomahawk,sans the ranger logo

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I own two great knives that went around the world with me. A Custom made Radovich, and a custom made Horrigan.

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Growing up in New Mexico, a friend taught me how to make a knife out of a File, a Lot of grinding.
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I forgot,your local correctional facility will have knife makers.
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Socnet member Dedub makes nice blades.

Google TCT knives.
Didn't know he was on here. Spoken with him a few times on IG. I like his style.
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You said hobby blacksmith's. I hope you don't think you can forge and make a blade in a day like that new tv show forged in fire. That show is set up for flames, sparks, drama, and failure to get people hooked and watching and in no way shape or form is the proper way to make a knife. But sometimes it can be entertaining, so take it for entertainment value and nothing else.
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Are you going to do bladesmithing or stock removal? Bladeforums.com has all the information in the knifemakers section you will need and a lot you don't. Read all the WIP for step by step pictures from the best in the business showing you how it's done.
I'd also recommend Wayne Goddard's $50 Knife Shop.

http://www.amazon.com/Wayne-Goddards-Knife-Shop-Revised/dp/0896892956

I do stock removal and blank customizing, those I can help with...
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Didn't know he was on here. Spoken with him a few times on IG. I like his style.
I won a auction here and that is how I learned of his knives.
Ended up buying two more of his knives.

Great knives for the money.
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I do stock removal. Started making folders a little over a year ago. I'm overseas now and have a small shop set up. All a hobby!
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Are there any hobby blacksmiths here? Lately I've seen (and bought) some seriously sexy homemade knives made by folks who have real day jobs. I'm doing my google homework on the equipment, and have a notional "not to exceed" budget. If anyone here has experience they'd like to share, it'd be welcome.
Feel free to hit me up. I've been blacksmithing for a few years now, and started forging knives about a year ago. Your nominal budget probably *can* be achieved (I have about $400.00 into it, forge, anvil, hammers, tools, the whole gammut) but it's tough to do it on a budget and takes a lot of patience.

Anyway...yeah...hit me up if you want some advice. I have a lot of resources laying around...books, plans, and guides about what kind of steel common scrap is made from.

I've also developed an interest lately in smelting my own iron and steel. Hell, I've even done a few pieces of jewelry, but I don't consider myself a gold/silversmith. Most recently, I've gotten interested in tinkering (tinsmithing).
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I just had someone come by for stock removal lessons. I wen't over a few tools that you need with him.

Bench top drill presses:

They are fairly cheap. It doesn't really matter the brand anymore their all made in china and they all are mediocre at best. Be prepared to remove the spindle and quill to remove cosmoline from shipping and you should have a serviceable machine. Probably cost you less than a hundred bucks. Less if you find one on sale on craigslist or a local pawn shop. Also get a drill press vise or clamp. More careers in knife making have ended on the drill press than any other equipment. A blade stuck in the bit turning at 2000 rpm's against your hand will ruin your life.

Benchtop drillpress: http:// http://www.amazon.com/3320-01-120-Vo...op+drill+press

drill press vise: http:// http://www.amazon.com/IRWIN-4-Inch-D...ill+press+vise

Desk Reference Book for speeds:http:// http://www.amazon.com/Desk-Ref-Thoma...reference+book

If your budget is bigger I would go with this shop drill press: http:// http://www.amazon.com/Delta-18-900L-...ta+drill+press

Look at auctions and watch for old american made equipment to come up for sale. Any old Clausing, delta, drill presses that come up for sale are worth every penny as even the best imported stuff today is horrible compared to the tools made a few decades ago here.


Port-a-band and Swag table:

I have had both Milwaukee and Dewalt port-a-bands. I have had less problems with the Dewalt that had a speed dial by the trigger. My Milwaukee I got after a burglary has to have the rubber contact wheels replaced every 6 months here in Vegas.

The swag offroad port-a-band table turns your port-a-band into an upright band saw. Great little thing to have in any shop doing anything really. Here's a link.
http:// http://www.swagoffroad.com/SWAG-V40-...able_p_63.html

Drill bits:

Buy high quality bits and and end mills and cry once or cry several times a week. It's up to you but their really is no short cut here. Look for M42 drill bit set. Buy a hand oiler, and cutting fluid. Download, and print out a feed chart next to your drill press. It will tell you the proper speed for different size drill bits and materials. Buy Carbide drill bits as you need them. To counter sink your drill holes you going to need a through hole counter sink set. Watch some youtube channels if you don't know how to drift them to make a chatter-less countersink.

countersink link:http:// http://www.amazon.com/KEO-53512-Sing...0_SR160%2C160_

Drill bit:http://www. amazon.com/Drill-Hog-Cobalt-Lifetime-Warranty/dp/B014U8P3M2/ref=sr_1_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444595967&sr=1-1&keywords=m42+drill+bit+set

Hand Oiler:http:// http://www.amazon.com/Dutton-Lainson...rds=hand+oiler

Cutting fluid:http://www. amazon.com/Oatey-30200-Cutting-Threads-16-Ounce/dp/B0069KPMGW/ref=sr_1_5?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444596064&sr=1-5&keywords=Cutting+fluid

press clamp: http://www. amazon.com/POWERTEC-71012-Drill-Press-9-Inch/dp/B00NFAXVD0/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444596684&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=klieg+drill+press+clamp

With that above you should be able to cut out a bar of steel into a knife shaped object and drill your holes. Now you need to grind the steel. You will need lay out fluid so you can transfer your lines onto the bar from your pattern. Mark your holes, scribe your center lines. For that you will dykem lay out fluid. Some sort of punch automatic or manual, and a center scribe.

To transfer your pattern you will need these.

Dyken fluid: This stuff comes blue or red. Use what ever works best for you.http:// http://www.amazon.com/Dykem-80300-St...ds=dykem+fluid

Scribe:http:// http://www.amazon.com/Moody-Tools-51...eywords=scribe

Center punches:http:// http://www.amazon.com/Starrett-18C-A...s=center+punch

http://www. amazon.com/Starrett-S117PC-Punches-Diameters-Plastic/dp/B000E64RBI/ref=sr_1_16?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1444597283&sr=1-16&keywords=center+punch

To scribe your lines you have several options. You can use a set of dial calipers or a center scribe. I think you will need both. If you abuse your dial calipers to scribe your center lines then don't be surprised when you are using them for other things such as checking blade thickness they are inaccurate.

Dial Calipers:http:// http://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-7165-6-...=dial+calipers

knife scribe:http:// usaknifemaker.com/knife-scribe-magnum-with-1-8-carbide-scraper.html

So now you have the tools to layout, cut out, drill your holes, and countersink them. Now it gets expensive. You now have to grind to your scribed lines. For those of you on a budget your going to have to use a lot of elbow grease. Those of you with a higher budget can purchase a 2x72 grinder. The guy that got the lessons was on a budget so he went with a 4 1/2 grinder and hand files.

For a 4 1/2 grinder I suggest a Metabo but any brand that's in your budget will do.

Hand files today suck. They are manufactured overseas now and are not the same quality. Look on eBay for NOS nicholsan black diamond files. Simonds still makes decent files.

Metabo grinder:http:// http://www.amazon.com/Metabo-W9-115-...metabo+grinder

files:http:// http://www.amazon.com/Simonds-Genera...words=file+set

Those on a higher budget can step up to a 2x72 grinder. Again check eBay, local equipment sellers as with the bad economy and business's going out of business some 2x72 grinders can be had cheaper.

The old stand by bader:http:// www.stephenbader.com The bench model is used by a lot of industries including knife making.

The TW90:http:// www.traviswuertz.com I have 3 of these and one surface grinder attachment. It's based of the bader design but can be easily flipped to a vertical sander as well.

The KMG:http:// www.beaumontmetalworks.com/shop/ The first knife making specific grinder to hit the market. It's the one that started it all and is bullet proof. I sold this one off to buy my first TW90. Probably the most economical of the 2x72 that is industrial quality.

The TAG: Ive never used or seen one but it's got a good reputation.http:// http://www.wilmontgrinders.com/Pages...rmGrinder.aspx

And the turd in the punch bowl of grinders. The grizzly grinder. It's better than hand files, but not much better.

Grizzly:http:// http://www.grizzly.com/products/Knif...r-Buffer/G1015

So you have now ground your blade with either a lot of elbow grease or spent 10 minutes on your grinder, and want to get a mirror polish. Word of caution. Buffers have killed several makers. If you are unfamiliar with buffer get familiar before buying. If a knife shape object gets thrown into your chest or legs by this machine you will probably bleed out before you have a chance to call for help. It doesn't even have to have a sharpened blade. You have two choices in speed. 1800 and 3600. Slower speeds for wood and higher for metal. You have several different styles of wheels and rouges for polishing that I won't go into here. So which to buy. Tp tools has one that does both.

Buffer:http:// http://www.tptools.com/BALDOR-3and4H...r*Brand*Baldor

If you can avoid the buffer, then I suggest you do. I hand finish my bowie knives to 2000 grit. If I have to buff anything I take it to 2000 so I spend very little time on the buffer.

Now you need to stamp your blade or etch it. If you etch I would wait till after it is heat treated. If you use a stamp evers stamp is one of the few places doing it.

stamp:http:// www.henryaevers.com/Knife_Makers.htm

etching machine:http:// usaknifemaker.com/knife-making-tools/etching-engraving.html

Until now none of the equipment you bought was centered around knife making and if you decide to get out can sell your equipment with very little loss. If you buy a heat treating oven though you better be committed. Most send their blades off to heat treated. It's expensive to buy a proper oven and cryogenic equipment to properly heat treat todays steels. For stainless steels an oven is necessary as well as a cryogenic quench in liquid nitrogen. You can get by with a dewar. Since I mostly work in high carbon steels I use salt pots built by even heat.

Heat treat ovens:http:// www.paragonweb.com/knife_making_furnaces.cfm

http:// www.evenheat-kiln.com/?pg=models&c=3

Salt pots:http:// www.tzknives.com/#!salt-bath-kiln/cpcu

Cryogenic dewar:https:// http://www.labrepco.com/store/catego...of_0_25_Liters

I bought my dewar on eBay.

Don't want to spend the money on heat treat equipment. I don't blame you. Here are a few heat treaters who have earned a good reputation.

Paul Bos:http:// www.buckknives.com/about-knives/heat-treating/

Peters heat treating:http:// petersheattreat.com

Everything you already bought will now be used to finish the knife except the sheath.

Forums have a lot of information. A few to visit.

Bladeforums, custom knife and guns, the usual suspect network, knife dogs, nj devils, Look for wip works in progress that show step by step how it is done.

Youtube channels for knowledge.

Walter Sorrels for japaneese styled blades:https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5bdWsVSZbA

Nick Wheeler has lot of instructional videos as well:https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=mulwJCzj3hg

ABS now has it's own youtube channel:https:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oyu_lq6R0lE

Those are the few I know but I'm suer their are many more.

Instructional videos

Center cross videos:http:// www.centercross.com/?p=video-library

Chriss crawford videos:http:// chriscrawfordknives.com/home/

Smartflix:https:// smartflix.com/store/category/9/Knifemaking

If you want to further your education go to every hammer in you can. A hammer in is just a bunch of knifemakers getting together and giving demonstrations. These are usually announced on the forums.

The ABS schools. They actually teach knife making. You don't have to be a member to take a class.

http:// http://www.americanbladesmith.com/in...n=pages&id=174


Most importantly get on the internet and find a knife maker close to you. It's a very social and open community. I don't know of a single maker that would turn away a visit and let you see their shop. That doesn't mean they have the time to give lessons or to allow you to monopolizes their time but they will answer most any and all questions.

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