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Someone didn't get hired by BW, back in the day.
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Someone didn't get hired by BW, back in the day.
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Old 2 February 2019, 13:03
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Whether Eric Prince or Peter Spicer or whoever owns/operates Wagner Group...or anyone else who goes into the PMC business - and is successful - there's always going to be critics for and against.

I remember going to the weekly meetings in the Green Zone were hosted by the CPA liaison for, at the time, 60 private firms providing security services in Baghdad/Iraq. More often than not someone was losing a guy or a team weekly - and we all felt it.

But we did our jobs, took our pay, and looked forward to one day being able to just go fishing.
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Someone didn't get hired by BW, back in the day.
And one appears.
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Old 2 February 2019, 16:21
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Erik Prince is a fucking scumbag who is quite happy to make money training our enemies. His cult of suckups and hangers on will find a reason to hold his pocket anyway.
Funny I just bought one of Barry Eislers latest novel and the evil character is clearly modeled after Prince. You know your at Cartel status when fiction writers start making their characters based on you.
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Oh. I see. The USG NEVER trains LE/mil of countries we aren’t necessarily friends with. (I remember Russian soldiers out at Ft Carson in 2012) People are just looking to stir the pot because it’s Prince.
Sure as a matter of National Security Policy. Sometimes bad policy. But it’s a function of the Govt. apples and oranges. War is good $$ unfortunately and groups like his thrive on it. I completely disagree with govt outsourcing military and govt functions.
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And one appears.
"Speak of the devil" is the short form of the English-language idiom "Speak of the devil and he doth appear" (or its alternative form "speak of the devil and he shall appear"). It is used when an object of discussion unexpectedly becomes present during the conversation. It can also be used about a topic that quickly becomes relevant, such as the onset of rain or a car breaking down. Used in this sense it can be seen as an alternative to the phrase "tempting fate".

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I completely disagree with govt outsourcing military and govt functions.
What defines “military and govt functions?”
Training? We’ve been outsourcing and receiving that for centuries. Our revolutionary troops were trained by French, who were previously our enemies.
Fighting? Our 1st “Navy” were paid mercenaries and pirates.
Logistics is largely tasked out to private companies and has been for a while.

Again, I think people are pissed a private citizen is making the money and not the gov. He’s doing the same thing several agencies are doing and not breaking any of our laws.
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Way to beclown yourself.
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Old 2 February 2019, 17:52
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What defines “military and govt functions?”
Training? We’ve been outsourcing and receiving that for centuries. Our revolutionary troops were trained by French, who were previously our enemies.
Fighting? Our 1st “Navy” were paid mercenaries and pirates.
Logistics is largely tasked out to private companies and has been for a while.

Again, I think people are pissed a private citizen is making the money and not the gov. He’s doing the same thing several agencies are doing and not breaking any of our laws.
The phrase is "Inherently Governmental Function" and it is described here:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-1999-title48-vol1/pdf/CFR-1999-title48-vol1-sec7-503.pdf

What is legal is not always ethical.

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What gives you that impression?
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The phrase is "Inherently Governmental Function" and it is described here:

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-1999-title48-vol1/pdf/CFR-1999-title48-vol1-sec7-503.pdf

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And yet almost every one of those is, or has been outsourced. If ethics is the metric for determination then the USG is the last place to look.
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And yet almost every one of those is, or has been outsourced. If ethics is the metric for determination then the USG is the last place to look.
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the USG follows its own rules.



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Erik Prince is a fucking scumbag who is quite happy to make money training our enemies. His cult of suckups and hangers on will find a reason to hold his pocket anyway.
Have you ever spoken to Erik personally?
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Old 2 February 2019, 20:16
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What gives you that impression?
Someone speaking poorly of someone they have probably never met. I'm not sure where all the hostility towards EP comes from. I have met the guy, and I have no issues with him. Of course, I have worked for his company for a long time, so I'm sure that I am a bit biased.
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Old 2 February 2019, 20:27
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What defines “military and govt functions?”
Training? We’ve been outsourcing and receiving that for centuries. Our revolutionary troops were trained by French, who were previously our enemies.
Fighting? Our 1st “Navy” were paid mercenaries and pirates.
Logistics is largely tasked out to private companies and has been for a while.

Again, I think people are pissed a private citizen is making the money and not the gov. He’s doing the same thing several agencies are doing and not breaking any of our laws.
If you are referring to me...you are wrong. I am not pissed he is making money. I think he is evil (evil is too strong a term, but I can't quite find the right term that fits). And his wealth is greatly a result of our taxes...funneled through .gov/.mil to his company.
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Someone speaking poorly of someone they have probably never met. I'm not sure where all the hostility towards EP comes from. I have met the guy, and I have no issues with him. Of course, I have worked for his company for a long time, so I'm sure that I am a bit biased.
Well, would you ask him where he draws the line? Does he have a line?
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Old 2 February 2019, 20:45
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If you are referring to me...you are wrong. I am not pissed he is making money. I think he is evil. And his wealth is greatly a result of our taxes...funneled through .gov/.mil to his company.
Then you exemplify my original comment in that it’s not WHAT he’s doing (since the USG does the same) but rather WHO is doing it.
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Old 2 February 2019, 21:07
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I don't care for EP - never met him but have dealt with issues related to his Company's activities. I had duties that included aspects of this case and what I read in the Post was more intended to inflame, rather than to report.
http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php...ght=Blackwater
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Then you exemplify my original comment in that it’s not WHAT he’s doing (since the USG does the same) but rather WHO is doing it.
If the company is working at The behest of .gov, I would agree with you. But if they are partnering with China on their own than absolutely not, they are strengthening a country we will very likely be in conflict with this decade
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