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Old 8 February 2019, 14:17
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I remember learning something about not underestimating our enemies...

Before people write AOC off as a petulant bartender that got lucky in some heat of the moment local election - she has BA from Boston University in International Affairs and Economics.
...to the blind liberal elite and uneducated leftist masses - that is all the "smart-cred" she needs.

International Relations and Economics -arguably, two of the most important talents that a politician must master. It doesn't matter that her head is stuck up her ass most of the time. It doesnt matter that "newspapers" are calling her policies unrealist - as long as 'BuzzFeed' is good to her and TMZ doesn't run a hit piece on her - her base will follow her off a cliff without questioning her motives. She has a degree from B.U. a prestigious liberal mecca in the North East. Home to Nobel laureates, Pulitzer prize winners, and more importantly - Academy Award winning entertainers !!!

She defeated a TEN TERM career bureaucrat that Chaired the Democratic Caucus and served on the House Ways-and-Means Committee.
...her opponent had more than enough connections and resources to protect and preserve his political power but somehow he was trounced by petulant bartender that wasn't even born when he started his journey through New York politics.

But hey - no need to worry about her - she's crazy - no one will listen to her
I heartily concur.

Interestingly to me, your thoughts put to prose sound an awful lot like POTUS and how he wiped the floor with all the big names of his party, rounding his game out with The W column when it counted.
All while grabbing pussy and nazi, and you name it came thrown toward him by all LEFT and some Right of Center.

The Money she raised, spent was well done all round. Her team I figured was one of the few to Look at Current POTUS and actually learn something.

As to the Pay for it or Not argument, there are a *few* videos interviewing her constituents over on YT. Those folks say they know her policies are not pragmatic. And they don't care :-)
I think AOC's election may have been a Left version of what we got in our current POTUS in more ways than one.
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Old 8 February 2019, 14:31
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I didn't think she raised that much on her own and was more sponsored by a Democrat PAC. I'll have to see if I can find that again.
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Old 8 February 2019, 15:09
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I didn't think she raised that much on her own and was more sponsored by a Democrat PAC. I'll have to see if I can find that again.
PAC money was a very small sliver of her fundraising.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/ca...id=NY14&spec=N
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Old 8 February 2019, 16:22
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PAC money was a very small sliver of her fundraising.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/ca...id=NY14&spec=N
Considering it was part of what she ran on, it makes sense that 97% of it was raised instead of driven by PACs.

Anyone who thinks she's a joke who will just go away soon enough probably also thought that other populist elections were going to go the way of the traditional candidate.

Obama, Trump, Macron, Bolsonaro, Guaidó...

There's a trend and it doesn't appear to favor established politicians or people who seem to be irremovable from power. Look at the swamp creatures who started aligning with President Trump over the past year. That's the true sign of someone dominating the landscape.

As to her getting lucky against the incumbent...LOL... so lucky she launched him right out of the next party leader spot and took a spotlight role in US politics that he didn't manage to get to in double digit terms.
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Old 8 February 2019, 16:33
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It doesn't really matter - she isn't a threat - thats all just me practicing my doom and gloom approach to modern government. After all, the only issues she has to run on are class, race, gender, age, and her wacky socialist ideology - nobody votes based on issues like that. Besides, she only won by roughly 15 percentage points - Joe Crowley shouldn't have any problems at all when it comes to retaking his seat in the next election.

She's just a kid by some standards and now that "the establishment" folks have seen her as the uneducated petulant bartender that she really is - poof - gone.
No threat to the stability of our political system - no threat at all. Americans are too smart and too well informed to fall for her trickery.
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Old 8 February 2019, 16:44
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Considering it was part of what she ran on, it makes sense that 97% of it was raised instead of driven by PACs.
And in that 3%, it's not even "bad" PAC money for a candidate as far to the left as she is.

Columbia University $10,833
Selendy & Gay $9,000
Justice Democrats $7,706
Apple Inc $6,578
City University of New York $6,275
Segal Ventures $5,900
University of California $5,603
Skadden, Arps et al $5,579
Communications Workers of America $5,537
Service Employees International Union $5,510
Antidote Films $5,400
Hart Group $5,400
Homebrew $5,400
Quinn, Emanuel et al $5,200
City of New York, NY $5,156
American Federation of Teachers $5,077
United Auto Workers $5,027
Moveon.org $5,004
American Postal Workers Union $5,000
Machinists/Aerospace Workers Union $5,000
National Assn of Realtors $5,000
National Education Assn $5,000
Operating Engineers Union $5,000
Progressive Action PAC $5,000
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O-crazy-o walked into her congressional win. She had virtually zero opposition. She was their Democrat darling. And, do you really think an "R" could possibly have an inkling of winning anything in that district of the Peoples Republic of Nueva York? It's the land of ostrich-head-in-the-sand.

When she's not looking, the Democratic "leadership" is shaking their heads when she spouts off about her Green socialist utopian bullshit dream and abolishing ICE. Then they smile and nod when she sees them.

When it comes to Obama; everyone on the Right said he had no experience (less than 2 years as a Senator), hadn't voted on anything other than "present", presented no new legislation, hadn't run a business or much less worked for one. But every time someone on the Right pointed these issues out, they were demonized as "racist" or fascist. Hell, Sen. McCain essentially handed Obama the Presidency every time he told people not to point these things out. Quite possibly the worst RNC Candidate ever.

Now with AOC, the Right does not seem to hold any punches. She is a freaking loon...and EVERYONE but the SJWs knows it.
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Old 8 February 2019, 17:02
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Now with AOC, the Right does not seem to hold any punches. She is a freaking loon...and EVERYONE but the SJWs knows it.
Have you noticed how many SJW’s there are?
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Old 8 February 2019, 17:03
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Have you noticed how many SJW’s there are?
Where? On twitter?
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Old 8 February 2019, 17:08
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She is a freaking loon...and EVERYONE but the SJWs knows it.
I think the SJWs know it, are depending on it, want it... there is more ANTIFA-type-thinking in the SJW crowd than folks think - and the system has to break before it can be re-built in the image of Ghia...
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Old 8 February 2019, 17:24
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Have you noticed how many SJW’s there are?
Unfortunately, yes. And most seem to be relegated to college campuses and hoity toity bistros of NY, LA and SF
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Old 8 February 2019, 17:28
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Unfortunately, yes. And most seem to be relegated to college campuses and hoity toity bistros of NY, LA and SF
This morning I was talking to some people who were asking who that AOC weird looking woman was that they kept seeing stuff about on Facebook. I had to laugh and say, "Oh, it's just some super liberal, nut politician." They said, "Oh" and went back to talking about the plans for the day. She has her audience to whom she is their "leader." The neat part about it is that many of those that were talking about her are "Democrats." She is only important to those that think she is.
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Old 8 February 2019, 18:13
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Exactly. We can laugh at AOC, but she's driving the conversation, and that counts for something. She's only 29, if she hangs around as long as NYC politicians tend to, she could be pushing the agenda instead of the conversation before people think, especially once those "oldschool liberals" you mention phase out, and an entire new generation of Democratic Congress comes in after seeing her as some form of messiah.
yep. Everybody laughed at Obama and Trump both. DOn't underestimate her. She will still have financial backing, and she will still have a bunch of do-nothing millennials think she's the cat's pajamas
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Well today someone in my office said, " we need to give her new way a chance, the old way is what got us here."

I said, "where, number 1? "

Some folks are standing by to become free riders.
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Old 8 February 2019, 19:08
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Unfortunately, yes. And most seem to be relegated to college campuses and hoity toity bistros of NY, LA and SF
Where do you think people on college campuses go when they graduate? While some will change their attitudes when they hit the real world, many don't. And the things that made people change attitudes previously (need for a real job, no more assistance of any kind, different attitudes than on campus) are becoming less and less of a thing.

Who do you think will be, and are, teaching the next generation of kiddos?

Much as it pains me to say it, these people are NOT relegated to the cities you mentioned, or even the coasts. While they may be smaller in number outside those areas...plan on those numbers increasing.

The recent past, as has been said above (President Trump, Obama, Harris and the plethora of local wingnut politicians) should be ignored at ones own peril.

Hope I'm wrong.
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Old 8 February 2019, 23:20
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Personally I think most people do not give her the credit she is due. Like everybody else, I know she is bat shit crazy. (She reminds me of Che Guevara, she just has not had her chance to commit murder yet.) But she is politically astute enough to get elected and she put in the time and effort needed to do so. She is a "true believer" and that makes her dangerous just like IS.

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Constantly mocking or using her as a reference for anything stupid just makes her more powerful.

She may not work out, but what she represents is the future of what will be leading the type of "ism" this country ultimately becomes.
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Old 9 February 2019, 09:11
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Well, my thoughts on going green...cows eat the green, and we eat the cows. Simple biology. I got the Atlantic Coast pipeline cutting a swath through my property, now they want to put up a chain link fence completely around me and do a 1,500 acre solar farm, along with spent coal ash under the solar panels in dug trenches.

I suspect, with great expectation...ya'll fuckers will be seeing me in the news--Ruby Ridge style. But on a plus side, I'll be wearing a MAGA hat when they cuff me.
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Old 9 February 2019, 17:51
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I'll echo the thought of taking her seriously for a variety of reasons (and as hard as it when such stupid twaddle comes out of her on a regular basis. . . ). She is currently the most prominent millennial politician. Second prize in the Intel international science fair when she was in high school does not describe a dumb kid. Graduating cum laude from BU is not a dumb kid. I've talked with some of her teachers at BU (joy of being partially in the higher ed racket in Mass) and her biology and chemistry professors remember her as being quick and bright. This is not an objectively dumb person.

If you've worked with and taught millennials her behavior is exactly representative of a sheltered and ideologically driven bright millennial. They mispeak all of the time and the tendency to mentally stutter and say stupid shit happens all of the time to them. I have to teach my new research associates the gift of marshaling their thoughts and not say something dumb in a conference room. There is a real tendency to speak off of the cuff. And she is unused to a national stage and that leads to tongue tied behavior. I'd also point out that I think Donald Trump is pretty damned smart and he has said similarly stupid shit all of the time. People can say stupid shit without being stupid when under pressure or in a new environment.


So you have a Puerto Rican female who is an outspoken social justice advocate and loves promising free stuff. She checks so many leftist boxes its scary. She also is a politician who every millennial can recognize based on speaking and behavior (we laugh at her taking a week off afteer the election, I guarantee you the average millennial looks at that and thinks "right on") and be one of them. We remember the millennial generation; they're the ones that the Republicans pray stay home at election time so that they can win? I'm not saying that she will be president in 2021 but I'm saying if we don't think she'll have an audience who listen to her in future election cycles we're fooling ourselves. And honestly, she isn't even the dumbest member of the House or senate. . .

Put more bluntly, people laughed a lot at Trump once he came down the escalator. How'd that work out for his opponents? And I would suggest that Pelosi and all are being fools, they think they can take advantage of all of these poorly functionally educated far left millennials to vote for them while not giving them what they want or explaining why its dumb. That works until they have some of these freshman Democrats who can act as leaders and figureheads. How many revolutions happened because the old guard thought they could keep the stupid young punks in their place? What does Pelosi and company do when they realize that their base in large part actually want an ill defined socialism, believe in destroying their perceived enemies on the right by any means, and will not vote for the establishment Democrats if they don't deliver on all this? Does anyone think that the Democratic establishment will behave honorably and lose with dignity? Or will they say and do whatever they need to in order to stay in power? Note the Green Deal crap is blathering nonsense and every serious candidate for the Democratic nomination has embraced it. And if they beat a weakened Trump will feel they have to enact at least some of it if they want to get elected for a second term. That's what we're facing.
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Old 9 February 2019, 18:12
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Put more bluntly, people laughed a lot at Trump once he came down the escalator. How'd that work out for his opponents? And I would suggest that Pelosi and all are being fools, they think they can take advantage of all of these poorly functionally educated far left millennials to vote for them while not giving them what they want or explaining why its dumb. That works until they have some of these freshman Democrats who can act as leaders and figureheads. How many revolutions happened because the old guard thought they could keep the stupid young punks in their place? What does Pelosi and company do when they realize that their base in large part actually want an ill defined socialism, believe in destroying their perceived enemies on the right by any means, and will not vote for the establishment Democrats if they don't deliver on all this? Does anyone think that the Democratic establishment will behave honorably and lose with dignity? Or will they say and do whatever they need to in order to stay in power? Note the Green Deal crap is blathering nonsense and every serious candidate for the Democratic nomination has embraced it. And if they beat a weakened Trump will feel they have to enact at least some of it if they want to get elected for a second term. That's what we're facing.
My prior stance was that her own party would find a way to remove her.

Your post illuminates a different way of looking at it. I'll certainly think about this going forward.
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