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Old 9 February 2019, 18:18
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Great assessment. I do not underestimate her. She is a "true believer"
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Old 9 February 2019, 18:27
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WHO AOC is isn't important nor remarkable. However, WHAT AOC is should be feared -- as it is a dark vision into what the future holds.
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Old 9 February 2019, 18:43
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Old 9 February 2019, 19:24
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That's a solid assessment.
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Old 9 February 2019, 19:30
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My social circle is quite limited. I sometimes forget how vehemently a large part of the population believes the drivel that comes out of the far lefties mouths.
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Old 9 February 2019, 20:04
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I'll echo the thought of taking her seriously for a variety of reasons (and as hard as it when such stupid twaddle comes out of her on a regular basis. . . ). She is currently the most prominent millennial politician. Second prize in the Intel international science fair when she was in high school does not describe a dumb kid. Graduating cum laude from BU is not a dumb kid. I've talked with some of her teachers at BU (joy of being partially in the higher ed racket in Mass) and her biology and chemistry professors remember her as being quick and bright. This is not an objectively dumb person.

If you've worked with and taught millennials her behavior is exactly representative of a sheltered and ideologically driven bright millennial. They mispeak all of the time and the tendency to mentally stutter and say stupid shit happens all of the time to them. I have to teach my new research associates the gift of marshaling their thoughts and not say something dumb in a conference room. There is a real tendency to speak off of the cuff. And she is unused to a national stage and that leads to tongue tied behavior. I'd also point out that I think Donald Trump is pretty damned smart and he has said similarly stupid shit all of the time. People can say stupid shit without being stupid when under pressure or in a new environment.


So you have a Puerto Rican female who is an outspoken social justice advocate and loves promising free stuff. She checks so many leftist boxes its scary. She also is a politician who every millennial can recognize based on speaking and behavior (we laugh at her taking a week off afteer the election, I guarantee you the average millennial looks at that and thinks "right on") and be one of them. We remember the millennial generation; they're the ones that the Republicans pray stay home at election time so that they can win? I'm not saying that she will be president in 2021 but I'm saying if we don't think she'll have an audience who listen to her in future election cycles we're fooling ourselves. And honestly, she isn't even the dumbest member of the House or senate. . .

Put more bluntly, people laughed a lot at Trump once he came down the escalator. How'd that work out for his opponents? And I would suggest that Pelosi and all are being fools, they think they can take advantage of all of these poorly functionally educated far left millennials to vote for them while not giving them what they want or explaining why its dumb. That works until they have some of these freshman Democrats who can act as leaders and figureheads. How many revolutions happened because the old guard thought they could keep the stupid young punks in their place? What does Pelosi and company do when they realize that their base in large part actually want an ill defined socialism, believe in destroying their perceived enemies on the right by any means, and will not vote for the establishment Democrats if they don't deliver on all this? Does anyone think that the Democratic establishment will behave honorably and lose with dignity? Or will they say and do whatever they need to in order to stay in power? Note the Green Deal crap is blathering nonsense and every serious candidate for the Democratic nomination has embraced it. And if they beat a weakened Trump will feel they have to enact at least some of it if they want to get elected for a second term. That's what we're facing.
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Old 9 February 2019, 20:12
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My prior stance was that her own party would find a way to remove her.

Your post illuminates a different way of looking at it. I'll certainly think about this going forward.
I think they have started to wake up to her being a problem but it appears at least that Pelosi thinks she's a flake and able to be dismissed. I hope that she's right. The problem with AOC is that she's not really a leader, rather she is a famous and prominent true believer who provides a seed crystal for like minded fools and monsters to coalesce around. For heaven's sake a couple of years ago millennials were willing to follow a borderline incoherent senior citizen from Vermont. Now they will have an attractive and outspoken peer. . .

My gut instinct based on dealing with millenials like her is that she went to BU and kicked ass in a less than useful major but believed it would lead to the good life. Instead, she ended up bartending to pay rent. When a participation trophy smart kid gets kicked in the teeth by reality they often seem to explain it by a rigged system that is holding them back. That's what I don't think the Democratic old guard understands, she's a true believer who wants power to reshape the world the way she thinks is fair. They're not buying her off with a statue or some BS bill. When the old guard tries to kneecap her, maybe they will pull it off. But maybe a junior staffer will perform Wikileaks Part 2 and shove their e-mail chains to Vox and get them primaried in turn. From the outside, it sure looks like the Democrats have been purifying their ranks over the past 2-3 election cycles.
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Old 9 February 2019, 20:32
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This is why she reminds me of "Che" Guevara. Ernesto Guevara was originally dismissed by the Castro brothers and their cohorts as a foreign dilettante. The nickname "Che" was in reference to his constant use of a linguistic term often used by Argentinians sort of like how some Canadians say "aye" a lot. It was actually kind of a put down. Once he got his hands bloody and developed a taste for killing and the power that came with it, he came in to his own and Castro was able to use him accordingly. In the end, Castro encouraged him to seek revolution in Africa and later in Bolivia in order to rid himself of a potential rival. In a different venue, AOC would be a blood thirsty revolutionary. She possess the same hate and derision as Guevara. She is not to be underestimated.

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Old 9 February 2019, 21:14
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Exactly. We can laugh at AOC, but she's driving the conversation, and that counts for something. She's only 29, if she hangs around as long as NYC politicians tend to, she could be pushing the agenda instead of the conversation before people think, especially once those "oldschool liberals" you mention phase out, and an entire new generation of Democratic Congress comes in after seeing her as some form of messiah.
AOC is Bernie Sanders replacement, perfectly fitted for those who are troubled that their hero is an old white man. AOC makes Nancy Pelosi look centrist, which is a great strategy.

I don't think AOC is an accident, and I don't believe Pelosi actually disagrees with AOC. Democratic Presidential candidates are lining up behing her Green New Deal:
Eric Swalwell
Elizabeth Warren
Corey Booker
Bernie Sanders (ready to announce)
Julian Castro (ready to announce)
John Delaney

I believe that AOC could get video taped giving oral sex to an 8 year old, and the only person who would get in trouble would be those who criticize her.

Politics has become the new religious tribalism in America - as dangerous and irrational as radical Islam.
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Old 9 February 2019, 21:16
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She is an actor in a play. No doubt that she is intelligent, graduating from an BU pretty much establishes that fact. However, what she has delivered on an intellectual level at this point is lacking - she has produced no peer reviewed papers on economics that I am aware of, nor have I heard any prominent economists speak out in favor of her intellect.

I do however agree with Wannabe that she is typical of the millenial gen that feels like things are owed 'just because' and when the dream isn't fulfilled then there must be some fault other than their own. She is a very good speaker in the political realm and touches all the hot button items but she never offers up the concrete details as to how the country gets form point A to point B. Almost similar to another politician from not so long ago - the specifics don't really matter once you have generated the public support for the overall goal.

The legislation that she proposes isn't hers - it has been floating around awaiting a champion. I'm not so sure that the leadership has convinced her to undertake the crusade to not actually get the whole package installed but to start the conversation and see where the public perception falls. Who knows, maybe she was promised some other thing in order to carry the water for this issue.

The end game is not the passage of the package, it is the changing of 'hearts and minds' so that when they say 'Hey, we can't really do this whole thing right now but let's at least try this and that.' Incrementalism kills - it just does it slowly.
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Old 9 February 2019, 21:19
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I've said this before, they conjured Barak Obama out of thin air. All slick talk and "cool" and no experience or substance. Out of all the politicians I've ever seen, he was the best speaker. If she tones down the crazy and learns how to be slick, she's dangerous.
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Old 9 February 2019, 21:26
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I , honestly, have never delved much into any deep thought process on politics. This last several years , the getting blasted in the face on the internet with anything and everything polical, and probably just me getting older has been an eye opener. The myriad of educational posts on this site has been a blessing to me, as I could never have gotten a take on much of our current political situation from some newspaper or newscast! Thanks much for all you smart fuckers out there!
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Old 9 February 2019, 21:56
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Well local news just reported Warren officially running for President. About 100 comments on the local news face book site , from locals. About half rightly making fun of her. But the other half defending her, stating she would make a great President, and dismissing her Indian claims.

And this is in conservative Indiana.

Do do not think for a minute that AOC down the road can get enough support to win a national election.
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Old 9 February 2019, 23:07
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Are her SAT scores out there?
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Old 10 February 2019, 09:22
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Well she has big breasts and a nice ass so she has that going for her. I’d hit it..... she would just have to have her mouth buried in the pillow!
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Old 10 February 2019, 09:39
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I intially reserved my seat on the AOC crazy train. I was comfortable, and enjoyed the view from my vantage point. And then, the train began to wobble on the tracks, and concern and intense focus replaced comfort. While I still am certain this is in fact the crazy train, the speed it gathers, all while the wobbling is increasing is highly disconcerting.

When you combine this with the vitreol spewed from core group of newly elected congressional representatives "Impeach the MF", the taking an oath on the Quran, the outright disdain and hatred demonstrated during the SOTU, all combine to formulate even more dread for the completion of a safe trip.

She is definitely not quite right, clearly. But dismissing and minimizing her impact would be not unlike underestimating a dark horse, loose cannon, non-career politician to run the table, shock and surprise and gain a seat in the oval office.

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AOC is Bernie Sanders replacement, perfectly fitted for those who are troubled that their hero is an old white man. AOC makes Nancy Pelosi look centrist, which is a great strategy.

I don't think AOC is an accident, and I don't believe Pelosi actually disagrees with AOC. Democratic Presidential candidates are lining up behing her Green New Deal:
Eric Swalwell
Elizabeth Warren
Corey Booker
Bernie Sanders (ready to announce)
Julian Castro (ready to announce)
John Delaney

I believe that AOC could get video taped giving oral sex to an 8 year old, and the only person who would get in trouble would be those who criticize her.

Politics has become the new religious tribalism in America - as dangerous and irrational as radical Islam.
The extremes define the mean. The left never rebukes it extreme, which leaves them free to move left. At worst they just change the topic, easy to do when they absolutely control the propaganda ministry, err, media. The right denies and is made to disavow it's extreme right, which leaves them nowhere to go but to the fucking left. S/F....Ken M

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Old 10 February 2019, 11:20
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I'll echo the thought of taking her seriously for a variety of reasons (and as hard as it when such stupid twaddle comes out of her on a regular basis. . . ). She is currently the most prominent millennial politician. Second prize in the Intel international science fair when she was in high school does not describe a dumb kid. Graduating cum laude from BU is not a dumb kid. I've talked with some of her teachers at BU (joy of being partially in the higher ed racket in Mass) and her biology and chemistry professors remember her as being quick and bright. This is not an objectively dumb person.

If you've worked with and taught millennials her behavior is exactly representative of a sheltered and ideologically driven bright millennial. They mispeak all of the time and the tendency to mentally stutter and say stupid shit happens all of the time to them. I have to teach my new research associates the gift of marshaling their thoughts and not say something dumb in a conference room. There is a real tendency to speak off of the cuff. And she is unused to a national stage and that leads to tongue tied behavior. I'd also point out that I think Donald Trump is pretty damned smart and he has said similarly stupid shit all of the time. People can say stupid shit without being stupid when under pressure or in a new environment.


So you have a Puerto Rican female who is an outspoken social justice advocate and loves promising free stuff. She checks so many leftist boxes its scary. She also is a politician who every millennial can recognize based on speaking and behavior (we laugh at her taking a week off afteer the election, I guarantee you the average millennial looks at that and thinks "right on") and be one of them. We remember the millennial generation; they're the ones that the Republicans pray stay home at election time so that they can win? I'm not saying that she will be president in 2021 but I'm saying if we don't think she'll have an audience who listen to her in future election cycles we're fooling ourselves. And honestly, she isn't even the dumbest member of the House or senate. . .

Put more bluntly, people laughed a lot at Trump once he came down the escalator. How'd that work out for his opponents? And I would suggest that Pelosi and all are being fools, they think they can take advantage of all of these poorly functionally educated far left millennials to vote for them while not giving them what they want or explaining why its dumb. That works until they have some of these freshman Democrats who can act as leaders and figureheads. How many revolutions happened because the old guard thought they could keep the stupid young punks in their place? What does Pelosi and company do when they realize that their base in large part actually want an ill defined socialism, believe in destroying their perceived enemies on the right by any means, and will not vote for the establishment Democrats if they don't deliver on all this? Does anyone think that the Democratic establishment will behave honorably and lose with dignity? Or will they say and do whatever they need to in order to stay in power? Note the Green Deal crap is blathering nonsense and every serious candidate for the Democratic nomination has embraced it. And if they beat a weakened Trump will feel they have to enact at least some of it if they want to get elected for a second term. That's what we're facing.
My wife graduated summa' cum laude from Kent State on her Masters and Bachelors.. I can totally agree to your statements here on AOC.
Sometimes my wife is so analytical and thinks too much.
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I wasn't going to post anything more about this crazy woman...but I did go back and read the whole thread. Someone said something about her smile. She has a great smile. (Thanks for the pic Michael A)
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Just wait for a sex tape to be published “you know there has to be one”. Let’s see how it is handled and then we will know how much juice she has.
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