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Old 2 December 2003, 16:11
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Re: Jim Wright

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was Speaker of the House at that time. (1987)
You know what's funny? I can't find a copy of the "Dear Comandante" letter anywhere on the internet.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:16
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You and me both.

There is nothing that I can find that link the two individuals. All searches revert back to the Castro/Ortega meeting on Aug. 13 1987.

That and all bullets point to Iran/Contra.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:20
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I found references to the letter, but not the actual letter.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:23
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BINGO!

Here ya go Sir Sneaky.

Dear Comandante (Fidel): More than 30 years ago our fathers bid us farewell; they left to continue the ideals of Bolivar, of Marti; a continent united and independent. They also did not see this triumph. They were aware that it takes great sacrifices to achieve great dreams. We never saw them again. At that time we were very young; now we are men and women, who are at this moment living through much pain and sorrow. We know how things occurred and we suffer. Today we receive their remains; they do not come defeated; they come as heroes forever young, valiant and strong. Nobody can take that way from us; they will always remain alive among their sons and their people. They knew that they could always return to their people and that our people would receive them with love; and that our love would heal their wounds; they knew that you would still be their friend, their leader.
That is why Comandante we ask you to have the honor of receiving their remains; because far from being our fathers they are the sons of the people that you so proudly represent; receive your comrades in arms, your companions. We also would gladly give of our lives.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:24
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:24
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That's not it - LOL. It was one Wright and nine other libs sent to Ortega.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:26
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Ahhhh.

This one was from Guevara's daughter to Castro.
I'll keep looking.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:28
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That is fantastic.
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:33
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Excellent work Ripper
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Old 2 December 2003, 16:47
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The meeting happened at the same time that the Vatican Assembly visited. Feb. 17 1986.

I don't believe I have ever had to search this hard just to find a scarce referrence to something.
Or was it on Nov. 13 1987 when Ortega was in Washington to meet with Wright and the Vatican Assembly again?

Damn it!
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Old 2 December 2003, 17:04
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haven't found the actual letter either.
here is a reference to it....
Then congressman now Senator Robert Torricelli joined with then Speaker of the House Jim Wright (D., Texas) and others in a fawning letter to Sandinista strong man Daniel Ortega. "We have been, and remain," the 1984 letter read, "opposed to U.S. support for military action directed against the people or government of Nicaragua." They then praised the man who was importing Soviet tanks, missiles, and anti-aircraft guns in record numbers for "reducing" press censorship -- though they acknowledged how difficult this must be "in the midst of ongoing military hostilities on the borders of Nicaragua."

still looking. Is this what you are referring to Sir Sneaky?
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Old 2 December 2003, 17:07
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That's it. Think Jim Wright wiped the internet?
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Old 2 December 2003, 17:16
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That's it. Think Jim Wright wiped the internet?
Or maybe Al Gore did when he invented it.
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Old 2 December 2003, 17:17
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Somebody's keeping this damned thing close to their person.
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Old 2 December 2003, 21:21
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Damn...

Nobody could find anything on it?

I found a couple pages refering to it but never found the document.

Lexus Nexus only pulled from 1985 and on, the letter was 1984 according to the other pages.
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Old 2 December 2003, 21:32
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Re: Damn...

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Nobody could find anything on it?

I found a couple pages refering to it but never found the document.

Lexus Nexus only pulled from 1985 and on, the letter was 1984 according to the other pages.
Ditto. I found many references, but no letter.
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Old 2 December 2003, 23:24
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The report is accurate in that the death of Che stopped what would have otherwise have been a Viet Nam/Cambodia/Laos in South America. The 7th SF Group did a lot of good in training, organizing, and directing the soldiers who actually killed Che (they are the "Green Berets" mentioned in the report). What was left in South America was internal conflicts, the Maoist Shining Path is still active in Peru today, but after the 7th SFGA built up indigious forces to the point where there was no chance of communist cross-border operations.

There have been -- probably always will be -- civil conflict within almost every South American country, hell, there were armed peasants revolting against in Mexico recently. but they are small and isolated, not supported from the outside like when Cuba/USSR was supporting Che.

So I think the report was accurate not so much for the singular effect of the death of Che, but because of the force development that caused his death.
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Old 3 December 2003, 00:47
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Splitting hairs here, but wasnt it 8th group who did the training? I know they were redesignated as 3/7 right around that time, but I thought it was after Che got wacked.
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Old 3 December 2003, 01:15
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Psywar:

Don't know, I wasn't there in the 60's (I was assigned to the 7th SFGA in July 1975). Team room chat was that the 7th Group claimed to have been the trainers for the shooters, but that could have been the personalities, not the unit.

We had 1st and 2nd Bns at Bragg, 3rd Bn in Panama.
When I was there our AOR was Korea since 1st Group on Okinawa had been inactivated.
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Old 3 December 2003, 01:21
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From what I've read about Che Guevara in Bolivia it almost reads like Don Quixote. Nearly no support from Cuba or the USSR except for a few locally recruited peasants (potentially good fighters) and a few 'townie' intellectuals (really completely useless) and at least one double. This is based on the book by the CIA operative who was the interrogator trainer with the Bolivian Army at the time.
(I'm sorry but I can't find the book, but he served in Cuba, Vietnam, El Sal and maybe Guatamala)
Anyway it was interesting that he (the CIA op) thought that Che was a 'True believer' and felt sorry for him as he knew that he was to be executed. Knowing that they would lose valuable intel. was part of it. But, the interesting part was the author was an upper middle class Cuban who lost everything.
He does wear Che Guevaras watch still.
When I find it I'll post it. Guy was covert in Cuba for the Bay of Pigs and before.
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