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Old 3 December 2003, 03:00
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Felix Rodriguez was the name of the CIA operative on the ground at the time of Che's capture.
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Old 3 December 2003, 06:52
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From Global Security website:
"At the same time Special Forces were expanding into Latin America. In May 1962, the advance party from Company D, 7th Special Forces Group departed for Fort Gulick, Panama Canal Zone, to establish what was later designated the 8th Special Forces Group, 1st Special Forces. The 8th Special Forces Group was deactivated in 1972 and the unit redesignated as the 3rd Battalion, 7th Special Forces Group."
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Old 3 December 2003, 10:13
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7th or 8th

Since 8th is part of the linage of the 7th, then 7th gets bragging rights, however, it was the 8th that had teams on the ground.

CB - I got to 3/7 in 1976, what company were in?

Che was a waste of oxygen, while he could forment rebellion, he was a total incompetant at reading the people and conducting a revolution. Look at the ones he started, never finished. Bolivia was not the best target. There were a number of better suited countries for his revolution, but then again, he could not read the people. I firmly believe that he is a product of the hype of the liberals and "revolutionary wannabes". He never really showed a true gift for unconventional warfare. He was more self proclaimed and book knowledge from others.

Did that end a lot of the possible revolutionary activites in SA and CA, yes. Did it end it all and stop all insurgencies, hell no. Nothing will do that. As long as there are rich spoiled kids that feel guilty over having something that a poor peasant does not have, even if the the poor peasant does not know about it, then they will run revolutions forthe poor down trodden. Hell look at the background of most of the terrorists. Rich kids with a guilt complex.

One of the "Congresswomen" in the group of liberal tratiors was the lovely female from Colorado and the one that now gives your retired pay to a wife that leaves you. Can you remember her name, starts with Pat S.

She also hosted the cuban intelligence chief at her house party during her last term.

Enough babbling.
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Old 3 December 2003, 10:45
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Hit the nail on the head there...

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As long as there are rich spoiled kids that feel guilty over having something that a poor peasant does not have

Shit, if they had to try earning what they have they would not feel any pangs of guilt!
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Yet another website I hate, but:
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB5/index.html
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Old 3 December 2003, 10:51
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Felix Rodriguez was the name of the CIA operative on the ground at the time of Che's capture.
He also has a nice Rolex.
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Old 3 December 2003, 11:00
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Felix Rodriguez was the name of the CIA operative on the ground at the time of Che's capture.
How real is this guys story? I just read his book this past week.
...I am trying to play catch up with you guru's I am breaking out all my old books and rereading them
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Old 3 December 2003, 11:40
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Re: 7th or 8th

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One of the "Congresswomen" in the group of liberal tratiors was the lovely female from Colorado and the one that now gives your retired pay to a wife that leaves you. Can you remember her name, starts with Pat S.
Are you asking because you can't remember or because you want to see if he knows?

Here's a little bit about her - She was in the House of Reps for 24 yrs. Longest serving female, never defeated. Is now the CEO of the Assoc of American Publishers. She is not one of my favorite people, but there are things about her that I admire.

"She was also active in military issues, expediting the National Security Committee’s vote to allow women to fly combat missions in 1991, and working to improve the situation of military families through passage of her Military Family Act in 1985."
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Old 3 December 2003, 12:42
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Thumbs down Pat "I smell a fart" Schroeder

CMR - I will always remember that female for being pro El Sal insurgents, pro Sandinista, pro everything left wing while anti military. Her work to get the female in combat was BS and she all but admitted it.

Oh well.
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I emailed Mona Charen (the source of Bandaid's quote) and asked where I could find the full text of the letter. Her reply:

"It's in The Revolution Lobby by Michael Waller if I remember correctly."

Does anyone have this book?
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No, but I used to have Waller's e-mail address. Let me see if I can find it again.
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Old 3 December 2003, 14:01
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Re: Pat "I smell a fart" Schroeder

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CMR - I will always remember that female for being pro El Sal insurgents, pro Sandinista, pro everything left wing while anti military. Her work to get the female in combat was BS and she all but admitted it.

Oh well.
She isn't on Chuck's Christmas card list either.
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Felix Rodriguez was the name of the CIA operative on the ground at the time of Che's capture.
Thanks for the reminder. I still can't find that book, it was a paperback.
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Old 4 December 2003, 08:34
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Longrange:

B Company, 2nd Bn, 7th SFGA
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OK, I was with C Company, 3rd Bn, 7th SFG(A) in Panama at that time, A-16. I was a lowly SSG at the time but had a great time!

C-M-R - Not on my Christmas list either. Her and Billary sent money to the El Sal insurgents ($5000.00 each for "humanitarian aid") and I have always wondered what part of that 10,000 dollars still floats around in my neck, arms and side of my face.
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Old 4 December 2003, 10:43
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Che's death and prior to that his failures, IMO, had another significant impact on movements in LATAM. It caused them to doubt the Cuban model and led to a relatively brief period of focus on urban operations. Something we still see from time to time. In short, it caused them doubt, which increased internal conflict over strategy, which prevented them from being as organized and focused as they would have been otherwise.
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Old 4 December 2003, 10:58
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The urban experiment, espoused by Regis Debray, also turned out to be a failure. Interesting though, was the effects that Che's failure had on Abimael Guzman in Peru. He placed extensive emphasis on "hearts and minds" operations while realizing, unlike Che, that the poor people will not inherently lean towards revolution based on econmic disparities. The Sendero Luminoso spent countless years formulating revolution at the university level, then filtering their message down to the peasant level. By the time the Peruvian government knew what was happening the altiplano was effectively in the control of the SL. Guzman, despite his earlier patience proved impatient as their revolution pressed on, and eventually turned against the very populous that was supporting him and began to inflict some pretty heinous acts against the basic infrastructure of the Quechuan and Aymaran social system. Basically they weren't jumping online fast enough and he turned to terrorist acts against his support base....wrong answer!....but to get to the point, his earlier patient posture for fermenting a revolution was a direct response to the failures of Che.
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Old 4 December 2003, 11:14
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It caused them to doubt the Cuban model and led to a relatively brief period of focus on urban operations.
A brief period that they are revisiting at present
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You think they're doing a strategy change now?
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