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Old 4 December 2003, 15:14
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The Farc have stated that Americans are now targets, dosent matter who they are, AD, Contractor, Emb ect. The BBC grenade attack was just the opening salvo. I think we will see attempts to overrun bases where Plan Colombia and MTT pax are based in the new year.
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Old 4 December 2003, 15:17
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LOL - dude, Americans have always been targets. They're just saying it out loud.

I'll bet when its all said and done the BBC had nothing to do with 'Mericans.

All the same, if I was in Arauca, I'd be wearing a vest 24/7.
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Old 8 December 2003, 18:17
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No, but I used to have Waller's e-mail address. Let me see if I can find it again.
"It's in The Revolution Lobby by Michael Waller if I remember correctly."

Did anyone find the letter? My local library doesn't have the referenced book. Any luck Jimbo?
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Old 11 December 2003, 02:09
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LOL - dude, Americans have always been targets. They're just saying it out loud.

I'll bet when its all said and done the BBC had nothing to do with 'Mericans.

All the same, if I was in Arauca, I'd be wearing a vest 24/7.
Got some feedback from the "Interview" of the grenade thrower. Good thing they couldnt find a parking space or it would have been a MG attack. Police presence did its job as he felt he wouldnt be able to walk up the street with his AK. Im predicting a major push to get some more of those Rock River Arms 9in barreled ARs that were captured down in Tumaco up into the city.

Of course since most of the people banned from going to areas in the zona rosa actualy live in the zona rosa the entire embassy will probably be fired for not following its own directives LOL Thus there will be no more targets
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Old 17 December 2003, 20:02
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From THE REVOLUTION LOBBY, by Allan C. Brownfeld and J. Michael Waller.
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The “Dear Commandante” letter would not have deserved much publicity had it been written by the leftist fringe in Congress that rushes to embrace every anti-American revolutionary movement it can. This is why the letter was so alarming to many observers--the signers were the top foreign policy men in the House. They were the Majority Leader, the Majority Whip, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, the chairmen of three important subcommittees on the Foreign Affairs Committee, two Foreign Operations Subcommittee on Appropriations members, and two other members of the Foreign Affairs Committee. One signer, Representative Lee Hamilton, is now [1986] the new Chairman of the Intelligence Committee. (page 100)
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Congress of the United States
House of Representatives
Office of the Majority Leader
Washington, D.C. 20515

March 20, 1984

Commandante Daniel Ortega
Coordinator de la Junta de Gobierno
Case de Gobierno
Managua, NICARAGUA

Dear Commandante:

We address this letter to you in a spirit of hopefulness and good will.

As Members of the U.S. House of Representatives, we regret the fact that better relations do not exist between the United States and your country. We have been, and remain, opposed to U.S. support for military action directed against the people or government of Nicaragua.

We want to commend you and the members of your government for taking steps to open up the political process in your country. The Nicaraguan people have not had the opportunity to participate in a genuinely free election for over fifty years. We support your decision to schedule elections this year, to reduce press censorship, and to allow greater freedom of assembly for political parties. Finally, we recognize that you have taken these steps in the midst of ongoing military hostilities on the borders of Nicaragua.

We write with the hope that the initial steps you have taken will be followed by others designed to guarantee a fully open and democratic electoral process. We note that some who have become exiles from Nicaragua have expressed a willingness to return to participate in the elections, if assurances are provided that their security will be protected, and their political rights recognized. Among these exiles are some who have taken up arms against your government, and who have stated their willingness to lay down these arms to participate in a truly democratic process.

If this were to occur, the prospects for peace and stability throughout Central America would be dramatically enhanced. Those responsible for supporting violence against your government, and for obstructing serious negotiations for broad political participation in El Salvador would have far greater difficulty winning support for their policies than they do today.

We believe that you have it in your power to establish an example for Central America that can be of enormous historical importance. For this to occur, you have only to lend real force and meaning to concepts your leadership has already endorsed concerning the rules by which political parties may compete openly and equitably for political power.

A decision on your part to provide these reasonable assurances and conduct truly free and open elections would significantly improve the prospect of better relations between our two countries and significantly strengthen the hands of those in our country who desire better relations based upon true equality, self-determination and mutual good will.

We re-affirm to you our continuing respect and friendship for the Nicaraguan people, and pledge our willingness to discuss these or other matters of concern with you or officials of your government at any time.

Very sincerely yours,

Jim Wright, Michael D. Barnes, Bill Alexander, Matthew F. McHugh, Robert G. Torricelli, Edward P. Boland, Stephen J. Solarz, David R. Obey, Robert Garcia, Lee H. Hamilton.
(pages 102-103)
Edited to correct for new glasses.
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Old 17 December 2003, 20:30
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Old 18 December 2003, 09:57
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That's the one. Thanks lrd.
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Old 18 December 2003, 10:16
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Jim Wright, Michael D. Barnes, Bill Alexander, Matthew F. McHugh, Robert G. Torricelli,Edward P. Boland, Stephen J. Solarz, David R. Obey, Robert Garcia, Lee H. Hamilton.
(pages 102-103)
What a stooges gallery. Boland Amendment, phtttht


“What we asked for were weapons so that we could defend ourselves, that's what we asked of the Soviet Union, of the socialist countries of Eastern Europe, of the Algerians, of the Vietnamese; and that's what we received so that we could arm the Nicaraguan people and defend ourselves in that war imposed on us by Ronald Reagan's Administration over a number of years” – Daniel Ortega
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Old 18 December 2003, 10:29
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I don't know if it's been mentioned but there was a movie about Che starring Omar Sheriff, I think it was in the 70's.

Anyway, just thought I'd point that out.
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Old 18 December 2003, 13:20
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Sneaky:

If one wanted to learn about Che's thinking, which book(s) should one start with? Gracias.
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Old 18 December 2003, 13:41
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1) Guerrilla Warfare - Che
2) Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson
3) Companero : The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda
4) The Diary of Che Guevara: The Secret Papers of a Revolutionary by Che Guevara
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1) Guerrilla Warfare - Che
2) Che Guevara: A Revolutionary Life by Jon Lee Anderson
3) Companero : The Life and Death of Che Guevara by Jorge G. Castaneda
4) The Diary of Che Guevara: The Secret Papers of a Revolutionary by Che Guevara
Muchas gracias, senor Sneaky. I'll start with the first two. :)
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Old 19 December 2003, 11:43
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What I wanna know is why all these young kids I see are wearing Che T-shirts and stickers on their car. I love enlightening these idiots with who he really was. I really hate ignorant people!!

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oh man, NOTHING said getting laid better than the burning of incense, a velvet poster of che, hippie beads hanging in the doorway and a black light.....
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Old 19 December 2003, 11:45
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Muchas gracias, senor Sneaky. I'll start with the first two. :)
I like number 3
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comparison

How does the book by Castaneda compare to the biography written by Anderson? I have read the latter and found it in depth and informative, however, I did feel that it was lacking in historical perspective and future implications of Che's revolutionary ideology. On one hand, it can be left to the reader to determine the current state of affairs in LATAM and how it relates to the legacy of Che, but a more extensive revision and discussion of the impact on the societies involved would be excellent as per the original discussion of this thread.
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Old 20 December 2003, 11:00
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I like number 3
Jeez, you know you could have made it #1 then! LOL

Ordered 1 & 2 already, but I'll get to 3 in good time . . .
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Old 20 December 2003, 12:11
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They're all pretty good. #1 was the place to start, although he didn't really have any revelations. Mao was more original.
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They're all pretty good. #1 was the place to start, although he didn't really have any revelations. Mao was more original.
I'll take your Mao suggestions too. I'm pretty well versed in Soviet thought, at least during the Bolshevik period, but don't know much about other commies.
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Old 20 December 2003, 13:27
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Mao is the man on popular protracted war.

What's the one by Lenin? What to do now or something? That is the work on conspiratorial strategy, albeit on a large scale.

Che's book is Mao's theories adjusted for Cuba, thinking it would work in all of LATAM, IMO.
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Old 20 December 2003, 14:10
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What's the one by Lenin? What to do now or something? That is the work on conspiratorial strategy, albeit on a large scale.
"What is to be done?," I believe. Back when I was reading this stuff, it was great because the Soviets made cheap copies available for American peasants such as myself. Allowed me to just buy it all at the school bookstore and write in the margins. :D
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