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Old 30 September 2018, 12:33
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Boeing awarded contract for T-38 replacement

Right now it's designated the T-X, although who knows what the Air Force will eventually call it.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone...t-for-the-t-38

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...928-story.html

Over the last couple of years I've been following the competition for this contract, there were several companies vying for it, with designs that were all over the map in terms of performance and appearance. Looks like Boeing won out.

A lot of the competitors were offering up derivative training aircraft of types they already had in production, while the Boeing entry is a completely new, clean sheet design. Saab is a partner in the project.

I guess the whole tanker controversy didn't have an effect on their bid for this contract.
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Old 30 September 2018, 13:06
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Guess it’s time for me to start saving my pennies for a surplus T-38.

Looks cool but Boeing has its work cut out for it to produce an airplane that will do even half as well as the 38. Perfect high performance trainer and for pure flying, easily my favorite airplane of any I’ve ever flown.
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Old 30 September 2018, 13:32
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The real problem is the pilot shortage the services are facing. Of course, some may profit from that. :-)
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Old 30 September 2018, 18:05
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The real problem is the pilot shortage the services are facing. Of course, some may profit from that. :-)
What? They can't find enough womyn, homosexuals and genderfluid who want to be fighter pilots? S/F....Ken M
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Old 30 September 2018, 18:15
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What? They can't find enough womyn, homosexuals and genderfluid who want to be fighter pilots? S/F....Ken M
Not a recruiting problem- a retention problem.

Not enough people want to work at and live around the DMV, with the occasional chance of actually doing the job you were trained for... Plus the airlines pay better and let you do your job without the BS.
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Old 30 September 2018, 20:49
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Boeing does well with big frames. Well mostly, hey name the last successful Boeing fighter, attack, or trainer they designed from a clean sheet.
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Old 30 September 2018, 21:15
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Boeing does well with big frames. Well mostly, hey name the last successful Boeing fighter, attack, or trainer they designed from a clean sheet.
It's not really a Boeing. It's a Saab.

Foreign makers team up with US based manufacturers to win contracts- as they are "US" made.

The other competitors were Leonardo Alenia teamed with Raytheon (M-346), Korea Aerospace teamed with Lockheed (T-50), and some other Sierra Nevada/Turkish concoction.
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Old 30 September 2018, 23:28
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Fixed it for you...
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It's not really a Boeing. It's a Saab.

Foreign makers team up with US based manufacturers to win contracts- as they are "US" made.

The other competitors were Leonardo Alenia teamed with Raytheon (M-346), Korea Aerospace teamed with Lockheed (T-50), and some other Sierra Nevada/Turkish concoction.

Saab is opening a plant in the US for the T-X so it will be built here. The design is clearly SAAB but, at least it will be built here.
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Boeing does well with big frames. Well mostly, hey name the last successful Boeing fighter, attack, or trainer they designed from a clean sheet.
Boeing's P-29

All other modern Boeing fighters were absorbed from the MacAir merger.

I remember reading an article about Boeing buying MacAir which expressed the opinion that MacAir acquired Boeing with Boeing's money as so many MacAir execs moved to Boeing and became program leads.
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Not a recruiting problem- a retention problem.

Not enough people want to work at and live around the DMV, with the occasional chance of actually doing the job you were trained for... Plus the airlines pay better and let you do your job without the BS.
My son wants to join the USAF (Academy route) for this very purpose. He want to do his tour, get out and go fly for UPS or FedEx. He says, "The pay the best, and I don't have to deal with passenger BS." At 14 y/o he has his priorities straight.
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Boeing does well with big frames. Well mostly, hey name the last successful Boeing fighter, attack, or trainer they designed from a clean sheet.
Well, since they own McD now, I could say the F-18 and the F-15. Not to mention they just won the Navy contract to produce the next carrier borne UAS (MQ-25).

Lockheed had the T-50 contract for awhile, which IIRC was for Korea. The T-50 was essentially an F-16 tuned down and minor changes to the airframe (inlet design) and twin cockpit configuration. Textron designed something called the Scorpion. However, they built it as concept with no real customer or .gov bid. Essentially "build it and they will come"... didn't happen.
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I could say the F-18 ...
That is modified Northrup F-17 Cobra. Even through the modification of the YF-17 into the F-18, then F/A-18, Northrup was the lead in the partnership with MacAir. Both companies were to build equal parts of the aircraft but the Navy was more confident in MacAir's history with Navy aircraft so final assembly was in St. Louis once the Navy accepted it. Northrup was to be the final assembly location for the F-18L (land) variant that they wanted to sell to FMS. That never happened so Northrup lost the F/A-18 to MacAir (Boeing).

However, Northrup has been the principle sub-contractor ever since and builds sections of the Super Hornets.

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Old 1 October 2018, 16:25
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The last clean sheet design by Boeing...
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^^^ What is that? A flying turd?
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^^^ What is that? A flying turd?
That was their design for the JSF, which Lockheed later won with the F-35
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I was going by aircraft that were actually adopted.
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I was going by aircraft that were actually adopted.
Ok then, the MQ-25 drone.
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The last clean sheet design by Boeing...
I remember that aircraft, that's the one Colonel Steve Austin was piloting when he crashed on approach.
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T(P)-38

Am I the only one who read the title and thought Boeing was going to make a better can opener?
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